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  1. Fire Dan Gladden's Avatar
    Now that Thrylos has decided to grace us with his presence after 30 days of hiding, I wonder if his commenting will be tempered at all.

    Nope, it hasn't.

    Next I wonder if he will say anything about the Baker "fiasco"?

    Your move Thrylos.
  2. Rosterman's Avatar
    It's not a matter of bringing in free agents or not. The matter is, there is money there to heartily explore this route. The other route is to stand pat. The Twins are somewhere in-between. You can say suck it up and lets get rid of Morneau and Willingham and bring up prospects a year or two early and give them earlier cause to arbitrate, and not have potentially great stats while theya re force-fed the majors. We can stock the hometeam with hasbeens and wantabees for a couple of seasons and feed the rookies into the core. But, ask yourself...why do you want to attend Twinsfest 2013 and who are you excited about seeing at a table where you have to pay $10-20 for an autograph. The down-on-the-farm guys, and watch...the Twins will probably charge $5 to get in that line. They have a new stadium, Prices have held or slightly risen. You get 10% concession discounts with a season ticket package and All-Star game priority with a full season package (means you have to pay retail to mlb for ASGame tickets). I didn't renew this year. I'll take a chance buying a cheap ticket from a season ticket holder, bearing in mind that there will be less on stub hub as we will have significantly less season ticket holders...and I can always pick some up for most game days. The Twins, if nothing else, has to combat negativism. Not getting players, not spending OUR money, not doing anything with prospects, not putting the trees back up, not competing. I see a lot of negatives building up. Signing some guys will give hope. Spending money gives the thought of staying competitive. The only prospect that excites us is Kyle Gibson, and we keep being told he can't pitch a full season. All these negative vibes. And the ultimate negative vibe, if the Twins do nothing, it can only get worse. How getting worse than last place is beyond me, but it will be worse. Makes me want to be a Houston fan...at least they have nowhere to go but up.
  3. Winston Smith's Avatar
    you can only charge major league prices so long with minor league talent on the field.
  4. John Bonnes's Avatar
    Well, I think it would be fire-able to not bring in anyone, just because I think for the most part we know what we have in the guys we saw last year. There is not point in reserving innnings for them.

    That's doesn't mean I'm opposed to bringing in guys with some risk and upside - PROVIDED there is a future payoff. I think this means having an option year on 2014, or bringing in guys who aren't at 6 years service time. I'd be more willing to try out minor league free agents than sign lower level guys, even if they have upside, to a one-year deal.
  5. Fire Dan Gladden's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn
    I think I wrote unclearly. Very few if any FA would fit both. All transactions (not just FA) this off-season should be viewed in terms of the criteria, each individually satisfying one or the other, and not making one or the other uncorrectably worse. A few, such as a trade for Holland, have a potential to help both.

    Transactions will complement each other, more so than usual.

    No, I don't view a target date like 2015 as like turning on some light switch. If kids are ready to give it a try in the big show in 2014, they should be brought up, which hopefully makes them even more ready for 2015. If they are not ready, they should not be force-fed, as it just burns a year of arbitration eligibility. As in any other season, you make a plan for a few years down the road, and when the inevitable bumps in the road show up (TJ surgery, prospect plateauing at single-A) you adjust.

    I'm saying that 2015 for the Twins looks like when a real turning point could start in terms of competitiveness, and you should load up for then and beyond, while making short-term moves to get you through the coming two years without it being a revenue-killing drought and without mortgaging that more-promising future. I think it can be done, piece by piece.
    I tend to agree with the FA piece. At this point, I'm not sure any of the obvious-to-target FA pitchers would fit here. Virtually every pitcher, from Grienke down to Marcum, will be overpriced. The mid-tiers will be breaking down in a year or two (see Pavano). It puts the team in a tough spot.

    I actually thought before the loss of Baker and the Span trade they could be fairly competitive next year with an addition of 1-2 effective mid-tier starters (think Pavano of 3 years ago). As this offseason goes on, I am beginning to think the Twins are looking at it differently.

    I wonder what the general response would be if you saw them package some of the Hicks/Rosario group in a trade for pitching? Something like Morneau, Rosario, maybe a low-end prospect or two for a MLB ready #2-3.
  6. Fire Dan Gladden's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jorgenswest
    Signing no one is preferable to signing a decline phase pitcher to a multiyear contract. It is not the year to sign a Guthrie to a multiyear.

    They can offer opportunity. They are a perfect fit for an guy like Jurrjens. Last year they brought in a bunch of relievers and ended up with Burton. This year they need to bring in the starters.
    I agree with you. I am decidedly against bringing in a slew of washed up, overpriced pitchers on multi-year contracts.

    Can you imagine the uproar on this site if the Twins did not sign anybody and went with a boatload of minor league invites? The negativity would be incredible.
  7. jorgenswest's Avatar
    Signing no one is preferable to signing a decline phase pitcher to a multiyear contract. It is not the year to sign a Guthrie to a multiyear.

    They can offer opportunity. They are a perfect fit for an guy like Jurrjens. Last year they brought in a bunch of relievers and ended up with Burton. This year they need to bring in the starters.
  8. ashburyjohn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Dan Gladden
    In your opinion, what realistic FA signings could they make that would fit both of your criteria?
    I think I wrote unclearly. Very few if any FA would fit both. All transactions (not just FA) this off-season should be viewed in terms of the criteria, each individually satisfying one or the other, and not making one or the other uncorrectably worse. A few, such as a trade for Holland, have a potential to help both.

    Transactions will complement each other, more so than usual.

    No, I don't view a target date like 2015 as like turning on some light switch. If kids are ready to give it a try in the big show in 2014, they should be brought up, which hopefully makes them even more ready for 2015. If they are not ready, they should not be force-fed, as it just burns a year of arbitration eligibility. As in any other season, you make a plan for a few years down the road, and when the inevitable bumps in the road show up (TJ surgery, prospect plateauing at single-A) you adjust.

    I'm saying that 2015 for the Twins looks like when a real turning point could start in terms of competitiveness, and you should load up for then and beyond, while making short-term moves to get you through the coming two years without it being a revenue-killing drought and without mortgaging that more-promising future. I think it can be done, piece by piece.
  9. Fire Dan Gladden's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn
    They should not accept a 110-loss team for 2013-14. All transactions must be viewed in both of two positive lights: a) it helps a contending team in 2015, b) it helps bridge to 2015 by having a decent team in 2013-14. A 3-year contract to Dempster satisfies b) but violates a) assuming he is bad by then. A trade for Holland probably satisfies both. The trade of Span for a stud SP prospect satisfies a) and frees some salary for b). Taking on salary for 2013-14 in a way that brings prospects, such as a large trade involving Alfonso Soriano, could accomplish both. Et cetera, et cetera.
    I am not yet convinced they will be horrible next year. Also, I think "waiting" until 2015 (or 16 or whatever) puts an awful lot of pressure on the young kids being up and successful soon and the moment they show up. They odds are more likely only 1-2 of them will pan out. Cuddyer was a top 5 prospect in baseball at one time, he turned out to be average at best. Kubel blew a knee. Gibson an elbow. For every Mauer or Griffey, how many Brien Taylors are out there? Too much risk for me.

    In your opinion, what realistic FA signings could they make that would fit both of your criteria?
  10. ashburyjohn's Avatar
    They should not accept a 110-loss team for 2013-14. All transactions must be viewed in both of two positive lights: a) it helps a contending team in 2015, b) it helps bridge to 2015 by having a decent team in 2013-14. A 3-year contract to Dempster satisfies b) but violates a) assuming he is bad by then. A trade for Holland probably satisfies both. The trade of Span for a stud SP prospect satisfies a) and frees some salary for b). Taking on salary for 2013-14 in a way that brings prospects, such as a large trade involving Alfonso Soriano, could accomplish both. Et cetera, et cetera.
  11. Fire Dan Gladden's Avatar
    If you're the Twins, and you truly have no intention of attempting to resign Morneau, Then I think moving him at some point for a pitcher could be worth it, but I wouldn't give him away. If Morneau isn't traded, the Twins could give him a qualifying offer after the season. Morneau for 1 yr/~$14M or a 1st round pick are both palatable at this point.

    Any offer made for Morneau needs to be better than those options. Morneau +$7M for Matusz seems a little high for me, considering Matusz has not been lighting it up. Maybe an even swap (provided the Twins pump the funds back into payroll).
  12. Jeremy Nygaard's Avatar
    I read that as well. There's a reason he's not a GM anymore.

    I read some other stuff previously and connected Morneau to the Orioles (for any one of there group of young, major league-ready pitchers). He could have connected those dots pretty easily too, but didn't.

    Would you do it? Morneau and $7m for Matusz (Super-2, four years of team control). Would the Orioles need more cash?
  13. mike wants wins's Avatar
    I agree with the TD owners. There was no use in keeping the thread open. I have no idea what value in making the world better or more interesting continuing to pile on thrylos would serve. At no point have I ever felt the TD owners have ever protected anyone and their ability to make themselves look good or bad....
  14. glunn's Avatar
    When I read Thrylos' original post I was skeptical. But even if I had believed what I said, I would not be very upset to learn that he was mistaken. We live in a difficult world, and being misled about Baker was not a big deal to me.

    And it seems to me that the TD leadership handled this with thoughtfulness and restraint. If they had erased the thread, then that would have bothered me. But the thread is still there for all to see, and Thrylos received a lot of criticism that is still there for people to read.

    This is my favorite Twins site and I am hopeful that we can all move on and have even more fun next year. I value everyone who posts here, whether I agree with them or not, and even if they disagree with me. We share a common bond that adds meaning to our lives, and when the Twins win, Thrylos will be our brother in celebrating the victory.
  15. JB_Iowa's Avatar
    Silly me. I thought that the TD use rules were simply that people were never supposed to attack other individuals.

    Attack ideas? yes. Individuals? No.

    That's basically what I see how I see any "direction" or "support" provided by TD leadership.
  16. beckmt's Avatar
    I think the TD staff does a wonderful and somewhat thankless job. Running out posters down with very negitive comments should be curtained, maybe first with private offline discussions and then if continued with public comments. For all that is said Thyrlos is far from the most negitive poster on this site. However deliberate running down of a specific poster or posters(especially if they are new, is a quick way to become and irrelivent site). All people(posters) make mistakes, give the newbies some rope and I think you did a great job of ending the pileon a Thyrosses error. This forum is for information and is supposed to be fun.
  17. old nurse's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Twins Twerp
    Thrylos sympathizer huh? You don't have to be so mean about it

    (I would assume this would qualify as another garbage post)
    You have a very short memory.

    I in the past have responded to Thyrloss with fact. What would call what you posted in response to Thryloss on Baker? If you want Thyrlos thrown off for posting inaccuracies then clean your own house first.
  18. Twins Twerp's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by old nurse
    Then they would also have to remove you for all the garbage you posted
    Thrylos sympathizer huh? You don't have to be so mean about it

    (I would assume this would qualify as another garbage post)
  19. Nick Nelson's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Dan Gladden
    My problem is that Thrylos has a well earned, very public, negative perception. If somebody with 10 posts had posted this and was wrong, those same comments would have been there and the thread would not be closed.
    We didn't do anything to "protect" Thrylos that we wouldn't have done for any other member in the same position. Again, we don't want users insulting eachother, regardless of the reasoning behind it. Are you under the impression that this is the first time we've locked a thread because ad hominem attacks were going too far?
  20. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
    You have a couple of fair points there but they assume that we haven't been talking to some of these posters in private. If we openly criticize posters on the forum for being negative, we receive complaints that we're "engaging them and distracting the forums". If we do it privately, we receive complaints that we're "protecting" negative posters. If we keep that thread open, we receive complaints that the forums are too negative and that we will allow personal insults when it suits our purposes. If we close it, we receive complaints that people aren't allowed to voice their opinions.

    Do you see the problem here? We've *mostly* settled on policy in regards to how we approach and deal with problem posters. Protecting Thrylos was never a consideration in our decision (at least, not any more than we "protect" any poster who has personal insults directed at him/her). We try to do things behind the scenes to cause as little commotion as possible on the forums. As such, situations such as this one will be misinterpreted by some. Overall, we feel it's better than the alternative.
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