Good article, Nick. I agree with much you wrote, but have less patience. I think some of the talk needs to be backed up by a changed approach and new personnel. While I think Gardy is a good baseball guy and a good manager, his extension also symbolizes more of the same from a franchise that is a good bet to lose 90+ games for the fourth straight season. Ryan is doig a lot of talking and his rhetoric suggests to me that he hasn't bought in to the realities of this decade--that the Twins are a mid-market franchise, that the team needs to augment their talent by being a player in the free-agent market and that they need pitchers in the rotation that can make hitters swing and miss.
"As Mackey himself points out, the only two starting pitchers that the Twins have drafted and guided to the major-league ranks in the past eight years are Kyle Gibson and Jeff Manship"
Everytime I hear Manship's name I cringe. Then you look and see he is actually in the major leagues with Colorado. So as bad as the Twins pitching has been at least we aren't having to deal with Manship's lack of ability. How bad is Colorado's pitching situation if he has started 4 games for them. Or Houston having to pitch Phil Humber nearly a half a year. Maybe Houston and Colorado would be interested in Liam Hendriks? Looking at Seth Stoh's 2009 Prospect Book Manship was actually ranked our 14th best prospect. Other pitching propsects ahead of him were Anthony Swarzak (6th), Tyler Robertson (7th), Kevin Mulvey (8th), Carlos Gutierrez (10th), and Deolis Guerra (12th). Obviously Swarzak is the only one that worked out. Two things come to mind. Why are our scouts so poor at finding pitching prospects? And how can guys like Anthony Slama, when he was healthy, not get an extended look a few years back. Between the scouting and front office decisions on pitching it pretty much leaves us with the mess of starting pitching we have now.
I would rather trade Dozier than Rosario.
Also, what is the likely of Rosario transitioning to Shortstop. God knows we need one of those. Do you feel Danny Santana has a lock on that, or Rosario a possibility?
I personally would have to disagree with you saying that Rick Anderson can take credit for Deduno's improvement in the walk department. I think its pretty much been proven that Anderson has lost his touch as the Twins pitching coach. It seems like every year the Twins have pitchers who supposedly have "potential" but they struggle and never seem to find this potential. This is a coaching issue, the coach is supposed to be watching and helping the pitcher change what he is doing wrong, as a pitcher you cannot see what you do differently between pitches. Deduno has absolutely filthy stuff, just like Liriano, and its on Anderson to get him straightened out. I'm sick of the twins pitching staff being garbage and Anderson taking absolutely no blame for it. How many young pitchers have we seen struggle with the Twins, only to be traded or lost to free agency and go on to success(Matt Garza, Kyle Lohse, Liriano, just off the top of my head). I honestly feel bad for the young pitchers in the Twins organization(Kyle Gibson, Liam Hendriks), because obviously Anderson's approach is not cutting it.
Be saying this since I've seen him in the majors. Looks like an all star prospect from the right and a replacement player from the left. The righty righty match-up is not nearly as detrimental as the lefty lefty one so I'm pretty sure a ballplayer of hicks caliber could make the adjustment. While they're at it florimon should quit switching as well.
The defensive issues, whatever they are, are an issue. He's been catching in pro ball for years. How much better is he going to get?
I don't know how far he is from MLB ready as a C. His bat does seem to look promising.
I remain optimistic about Pinto, but I've been optimistic about a number of guys who never made it or simply got a cup of coffee.
Apparently being a really good MLB player is quite difficult.
Nice article and good view of different possible futures. Completely agree with the likely route -- growth and proving one's self are important. (Of course, now that I said that, they'll rush him up in September straight from AA!)
I'd personally promote to Rochester before deciding whether to call him up to the big leagues. Trout and Harper both spent time in Triple AAA. The one concern would be rather the organization would consider struggles in Rochester to be a reason not to let Sano play a few weeks with the Twins.
I posted this on a different thread, but it's on topic so I'll include it here.
I admit I wasn't sure Sano should get a September call-up, but at this point, why not? He's been tearing AA pitching apart the last month or so. At this rate, he's going to be on the MLB team next year. Why not give him his cup of tea in September, wait for his super 2 status to pass next year and then call him up for good in June. Unless Plouffe starts tearing it up, there isn't really any reason to keep Sano down. He's going to strike out a ton, might as well let him start adjusting to major league pitching in September and give him something to work on during the offseason.
I don't have any problem seeing him come up in September.
Edit: I think my suggestion is a combination of the aggressive and conservative approach. Please let me know if I'm missing anything.
Will Diamond and Worley have options left next year if needed/wanted?
Do you view the K/BB stat differently for pitchers that throw the knuckleball?
I ask as I just read the Call it What it is post by E. Andrew, that suggests that Deduno is throwing pitches that behave like knuckleballs, at least in terms of their rotation. This also meshes with the unpredictable nature of his pitches. If Deduno is throwing fastballs and change-ups that knuckle, as E. Andrew's post would suggest, does that change how you look at Deduno and analyze his stats?
I personally believe what is written in E. Andrew's post the comparisons make sense to me as well as the conclusions drawn from the graphs. I just don't know if that information translates to what the pitch actually does as it comes in on the batter.
edit: decided to add the link below
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A High Level Latin American Coach is exactly what this team needs. The future of the game is in Spanish Speaking countries and I think a coach with Stature could reach some of these young guys better than Jeff Smith.
Am I crazy to want the Twins to hire Ozzie Guillen as a "special instructor?" He seems to have some kind of love affair with Gardy and I always liked the guy.
Nick, I agree wholeheartedly. Trust me, I love Perkins in every way too, and 9 seasons out of 10 I think he stays. But this is that one season where he just has to go. The Twins have had so many bad trades and missed years where they could have been sellers, and they desperately need to sell what they can now so they can commit to a rebuilding process. Even if they move Morneau, Perkins is by far the best chip available. Ideally, I think they should offer him to Los Angeles and Arizona, who are both in a division race, have had major bullpen issues, and would have plenty of great prospects and/or current players to deal for him. Also, spot-on about the Soria bit. I had heard someone else mention that as well as a cautionary tale.
If he continues this trend through August, the Twins would be mistaken not to sign him to a 2 or 3 year contract for 5-7 mil/year.
I understand the premise, but have to disagree with the conclusion. Coming off of three straight 90-loss seasons, entering 2014 with Correia and Pelfrey comprising 40 percent of the rotation again isn't going to sit well. Pelfrey is what he is at this point, and I would much rather roll the dice with uncertain young arms with upside than lock up Pelfrey at a discount.
I'm a daily reader but never post, until now. This article makes an excellent case for trading Perkins. Given his contract and status as an All-Star, he likely brings more trade value than any other Twin (even more than Joey Baseball). The hesitancy to trade him because he's "one of us" is something fans have to get over. If you hold on to the hope of building a winner with local boys, you are going to be waiting forever. You want a winner, you can't sit on a roster that's losing. The Twins need starting pitching help that will prepare them for 2015 and beyond.
I do think the Twins will still keep Morneau but they will not offer him a huge amount of money. He is just like everyone else, has his off day. However ever since he had his concussion, Justin just has not been the same. We are still all waiting for his come back still. If they do want to keep him around, he could possibly be a Designated Hitter. The Twins do need new blood and younger team if they want success, as they have not had the best few seasons.
I'll be disappointed if the Twins don't make Perkins available. As much as I love him, he'd be a fantastic trade chip. If they did, though, I think it would be best if they offered him to the Dodgers, who desperately need a closer especially now that they're getting into contention for their division. Even though I do follow LA, I'll admit I don't know their farm system inside-out, so I think a piece on the Dodgers as a fellow trade partner would be a great idea. Good piece on Philly though!
With all of the hitters starting to come up, Arcia, Hicks, Parmelee, with Sano and Rosario close by and Mauer and Plouffe on top of that maybe the Twins will spend a little on the rotation this offseason to get a top of the rotation pitcher if one is available this offseason. If for no other reason than to help Gibson shoulder the load of hope for a decent pitcher to help front the rotation.