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  1. naobermiller's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by JB_Iowa
    Hopefully, Gibson can improve on these results as he continues to learn and grow. Heíll need to learn how to pitch when his best stuff just isnít with him Ė even Kevin Correia and Ricky Nolasco can turn in quality outings when their command is evading them.

    I wonder if last night wasn't part of that learning process.

    Len 3 tweeted:
    LaVelle E. Neal III @LaVelleNeal 20h

    Gibson was solid but not spectacular. Failure to throw strike one kept him from pitching deeper in game.

    So even though he apparently didn't have his best stuff, he perservered.

    Thanks for all the analysis. It'll be interesting to follow this the rest of the season.



    I agree with this 100%. Gibson was OK. worked out of some jams, and it's difficult to be disappointed when a guy goes six scoreless. But in a Low Leverage game like that, you'd hope for a little better.
  2. JB_Iowa's Avatar
    Hopefully, Gibson can improve on these results as he continues to learn and grow. Heíll need to learn how to pitch when his best stuff just isnít with him Ė even Kevin Correia and Ricky Nolasco can turn in quality outings when their command is evading them.

    I wonder if last night wasn't part of that learning process.

    Len 3 tweeted:
    LaVelle E. Neal III @LaVelleNeal 20h

    Gibson was solid but not spectacular. Failure to throw strike one kept him from pitching deeper in game.

    So even though he apparently didn't have his best stuff, he perservered.

    Thanks for all the analysis. It'll be interesting to follow this the rest of the season.



  3. DocBauer's Avatar
    Thank you for this post. Well thought out and thorough.

    EVERY relief pitcher has bad outings that can inflate their numbers. A bad stretch of a couple games can really distort numbers. See Burton last year at one point. But Fien has been borderline outstanding since signed.

    Obviously, this is yet another sign that Anderson stinks as a pitching coach.

    (tongue, obviously, firmly planted in cheek)
  4. tarheeltwinsfan's Avatar
    Fien has been a fine find.
  5. iTwins's Avatar
    I like the idea of an overlay - simply putting the stats on the screen so those that are interested can have that information readily available. Maybe that would cause some fans to say, "What's BABIP?" and then look it up for themselves as well.

    I'd still like to see broadcasters take advantage of opportunities to advance the discussion when they arise. The FIP example from the post for instance - you don't have to go into detail or start a long discussion on it - but I don't know that pretending like it doesn't exist is the best way to go either.
  6. iTwins's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pleiss
    Gardy needs to keep giving Pinto playing time and AB's. There is no more Chris Herrmann as 3rd C, so I don't know that Gardy will want to risk losing the DH for a couple ABs should Suzuki go down. I can't explain why he's so afraid of that, probably becasue he carries a 13 man pitching staff. i think Pinto needs more playing time than just a game or two a week behind the plate. If he continues to sit with Herrmann gone I'm going to start calling for heads to roll unless the team can stay right around the .500 mark.
    I agree on the playing time issue. I had hoped Pinto and Suzuki would split time 50/50 - but I wonder if Suzuki's strong start has complicated thigns a bit? I'm sure it's hard for Gardy to sit a veteran catcher like Suzuki, who plays superior defense to Pinto and is hitting just as well (for now). If / when Suzuki cools, I'd expect Pinto's time behind the plate will go up.
  7. Sconnie's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jorgenswest
    I really think we are better off having broadcasters with a skilled eye sharing what they see happening on the field.
    this is what I really like about Jack, he has a wealth of knowledge and explains it well, just really dry
  8. Sconnie's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pleiss
    As a fan of some of the more basic advanced statistics, I'd like to see more of them in the pop up graphics when a batter comes up to bat. More than BA, I think OBP is important, and when I can see SLG and OBP then I can quickly calculate ISO and OPS in my head. I like the numbers. Even BABIP is a number that I think most fans are familiar with. The announcers don't need to talk about them all, but putting them on screen is something I'd appreciate. Yes, I can quickly check FANGRAPHS, B-Ref, etc to get those numbers, but sometimes it's nice to just sit back and watch the game on the tube without digging for info on my cell or laptop.
    like pop up video? It's a great concept. I'd like to see some more situational stats on the live broadcast screen as well.
  9. Paul Pleiss's Avatar
    As a fan of some of the more basic advanced statistics, I'd like to see more of them in the pop up graphics when a batter comes up to bat. More than BA, I think OBP is important, and when I can see SLG and OBP then I can quickly calculate ISO and OPS in my head. I like the numbers. Even BABIP is a number that I think most fans are familiar with. The announcers don't need to talk about them all, but putting them on screen is something I'd appreciate. Yes, I can quickly check FANGRAPHS, B-Ref, etc to get those numbers, but sometimes it's nice to just sit back and watch the game on the tube without digging for info on my cell or laptop.
  10. jorgenswest's Avatar
    FIP in particular requires a pretty large sample size to be meaningful as it is homeruns based and home rate needs a large sample size. It probably is not particularly helpful during the season but might give information over a full season when there is a significant difference in ERA.

    I would think the same about fielding metrics. It certainly is true about any split that is reported.

    Strike out rate and walk rates don't require large samples. They could be meaningful.

    I really think we are better off having broadcasters with a skilled eye sharing what they see happening on the field. Leave the stats and the analysis out of the broadcast. They are so easy to misuse due to sample.
  11. Paul Pleiss's Avatar
    Gardy needs to keep giving Pinto playing time and AB's. There is no more Chris Herrmann as 3rd C, so I don't know that Gardy will want to risk losing the DH for a couple ABs should Suzuki go down. I can't explain why he's so afraid of that, probably becasue he carries a 13 man pitching staff. i think Pinto needs more playing time than just a game or two a week behind the plate. If he continues to sit with Herrmann gone I'm going to start calling for heads to roll unless the team can stay right around the .500 mark.
  12. twinsfan34's Avatar
    As Sconnie said... Pinto's BA was .205 just a week ago, which is very low. But seeing his at-bats, you wouldn't think he is doing that poorly. He hits some rockets that are caught in the OF. Just the other day N. Morgan, the Indians CF, made a leaping off the wall catch on a rocket hit 385 ft...but it was an out. Next at bat, watching the broadcast from the Indians tv affiliate said the ball left his bat at 112 MPH and hit the wall in less than 3.8 seconds. Just smashed it. He's had a few other blasts for outs...where he'd easily add 60-70 pts to his BA and they'd be doubles too.

    So still very encouraged by Pinto, despite his low BA at the moment.
  13. Sconnie's Avatar
    Encouraging to his output this season, a week ago his BA was .205.

    Well written and I too am excited about Mr. Pinto.
  14. Sconnie's Avatar
    I'm with iTwins. Build on your strengths, not rob Peter to pay Paul. Dozier has been a treat to watch.
  15. iTwins's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by norcaltwinsfan
    Dozier's been great to see on the field. What is his field rating for runs saved (I forget the metric name)? It's got to be high. Given that the Twins suck at short, but have Rosario waiting in the wings at second, should they move Dozier back to short? Does he play second that much better than short and that much worse than Floriman for it to be a huge loss? His bat would be huge upgrade over Floriman (or Escobar). Would Dozier slump having to retool for SS?
    Per FanGraphs, Dozier had a defensive runs saved above average metric (DRS) of 9 for 2013 - on their scale that equates to a "great" (For what it's worth, "Gold glove caliber" players score close to 15). The data is too small for 2014 to generate an accurate number (he's currently at 0 - or average - DRS for 2014, but I'm sure that number will rise.)

    I hear lots of talk regarding moving Dozier back to short - but I'm of the opinion that when you have a Gold Glove caliber second baseman, you don't mess with it. I'd gladly take an elite defender at second base and look elsewhere for a solution at short, rather messing with both positions and hoping Dozier's improvements translate.

    A few days ago on the FSN telecast, Dick & Bert were discussing Dozier's improved defense and theorized that Dozier had excelled at 2nd because the position allowed him an extra second or two to adjust and field the ball. They felt that he could make more sliding and diving stops because of his proximity to 1st - something that playing SS would not allow him to do. Now, this was Dick & Bert "theorizing" so you can take that with a grain of salt if you'd like - but I thought it was an interesting point.
  16. norcaltwinsfan's Avatar
    Dozier's been great to see on the field. What is his field rating for runs saved (I forget the metric name)? It's got to be high. Given that the Twins suck at short, but have Rosario waiting in the wings at second, should they move Dozier back to short? Does he play second that much better than short and that much worse than Floriman for it to be a huge loss? His bat would be huge upgrade over Floriman (or Escobar). Would Dozier slump having to retool for SS?
  17. DocBauer's Avatar
    What you all have said.

    Surprised, thrilled and really enjoying this "light on" play from Plouffe.

    Could I take a moment to toss Hicks in here as well? He's not anywhere close to the Plouffe level...(ever thought you'd hear someone say that? Ever?)...but like Plouffe, something is going on. He's not hitting like anyone wants as of yet, but he's not embarrassing himself at the plate. He's making some contact, fouling off pitches, and most importantly taking walks to keep his OB over a 100 points higher than his Avg. Now it could be agued he's actually being TOO patient. But it's interesting to see the sudden change in approach by both of these guys. Is this Bruno's influence? Molitor's? Carew in Hicks's case? Who and whatever, very refreshing.
  18. Linus's Avatar
    I've never been a big Trevor fan and thought he was in the process of playing his way out of the league last year. However, I will admit that this impressive start is no fluke - his approach at the plate is markedly different. Plus, he's not really gotten any cheapies that I've seen - he's squaring the ball up and showing great patience in going the other way.

    I still hate him in the field but with the approach he is now taking, I'm guessing he will be a good enough hitter that they will find a spot for him in the field.
  19. dakotanative's Avatar
    He is at that age where hitters start to figure things out. Years afo I read a quote from Tom Kelly where he stated that hitters start to hit their stride, or figure MLB pitchers, how they are pitching to you and realize their strengths and weaknesses, as hitters between 1500 to 2000 plate appearances. Well, Trevor is just shy of 1500 so I hope Kelly's statement is right. If so then we will be looking at our long term to solution to right field after Sano comes up. Good problem to have.
  20. Siehbiscuit's Avatar
    I really hope so!!!
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