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  1. Brian Mozey's Avatar
    Yeah that's what I don't understand. We always wait with our talent.
  2. ericchri's Avatar
    Both lefties on that list showed horrible with both (though so did Gibson and Pelfrey). I'd be curious to see Thielbar, just as an extra data point, though I honestly doubt you could determine anything by that.
  3. Danchat's Avatar
    Hopefully he'll reach AA by the end of the season. But it's too early to call up him in September - they won't want to add him to the 40 man roster this early in his career. Knowing the Twins, they won't start his clock yet.
  4. Brian Mozey's Avatar
    I'd love some feedback if anyone wants to say something.
  5. jorgenswest's Avatar
    Good work. I appreciate the look from a different lens.
  6. jorgenswest's Avatar
    I don't think it is set to 0. It happens to be close. The median team is slightly negative, but the 6 top teams weigh the data towards the positive side.

    team data

    Pinto isn't a good pitch framer. Suzuki isn't either. Both are better than Doumit. The Twins rank 30th again.
  7. Hosken Bombo Disco's Avatar
    Good work jorgenswest.. is the league +/- percentage right at 0.0? If so I'd say Pinto is just fine as a pitch framer. (selectively throwing out Correia and Pelfrey, both who will not be around here much longer.)
  8. ericchri's Avatar
    Interesting to see how well Kepler and Harrison are stacking up in these. The sudden onrush of decent pitching prospects in our system has seemed to push those two a little into the afterthoughts category with a lot of us.
  9. Willihammer's Avatar
    I had to update the tables because I had Polanco's 2013 level wrong (A+ instead of A). He still comes out looking ok.
  10. ericchri's Avatar
    Start the trade Dozier to make room for Polanco chants now?
  11. jorgenswest's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by old nurse
    It was adjusted because there was a high rate of strikes being called on 0-3 and 1-3 counts. There was no adjustments or consideration ever given to the fact that there are significantly less calls per opportunity in extra innings. There is a decided variation in inning and pitch framing. That there is a variation by the inning would say there are other factors other than pitch framing going into these decisions thus the ability to impact the outcome is less.

    Any manager would say anything to get into the heads of the opponent . If he can convince someone to swing at outside/low pitches and miss, his pitcher is way ahead.

    Molina is having a career bad year at the plate. What are the other options? What is at AAA for the Rays probably would not hit, either. A 2 million contract on a low budget team Maddon has to play him.
    If you are interested, BP breaks down framing runs by count. The data by battery is linked above. They also have it organized by team and individual catcher in other data sets.

    Many teams value this skill in their rostering decisions. It doesn't appear to be something you value. I think the Twins agree with you.
  12. old nurse's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jorgenswest
    Dan Turkenkopf's work that showed the run value of turning a strike into a ball. I think the change referred to was from the original .16 to .14 due to count. We haven't heard from him in a while because he was hired by the Rays two seasons ago. It is his manager with the famous quote about Molina saving 50 runs. It is his organization that employs Molina in spite of a slash line of 195/239/201.
    It was adjusted because there was a high rate of strikes being called on 0-3 and 1-3 counts. There was no adjustments or consideration ever given to the fact that there are significantly less calls per opportunity in extra innings. There is a decided variation in inning and pitch framing. That there is a variation by the inning would say there are other factors other than pitch framing going into these decisions thus the ability to impact the outcome is less.

    Any manager would say anything to get into the heads of the opponent . If he can convince someone to swing at outside/low pitches and miss, his pitcher is way ahead.

    Molina is having a career bad year at the plate. What are the other options? What is at AAA for the Rays probably would not hit, either. A 2 million contract on a low budget team Maddon has to play him.
  13. jorgenswest's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by old nurse
    There is the theory that pitch framing saves runs. Where is the actual data that proves it. Turkenkopf who was in on the idea from the start stated that there were not the runs saved as projected.
    Dan Turkenkopf's work that showed the run value of turning a strike into a ball. I think the change referred to was from the original .16 to .14 due to count. We haven't heard from him in a while because he was hired by the Rays two seasons ago. It is his manager with the famous quote about Molina saving 50 runs. It is his organization that employs Molina in spite of a slash line of 195/239/201.
  14. old nurse's Avatar
    There is the theory that pitch framing saves runs. Where is the actual data that proves it. Turkenkopf who was in on the idea from the start stated that there were not the runs saved as projected.
  15. naobermiller's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by rcfarmer
    The Green Monster makes it too difficult for pitchers, when they adjust that then Target Field can change.
    Quoted for Truth
  16. jokin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by tarheeltwinsfan
    I agree about the right field wall. How can the Twins change the design with good esthetics, to allow more HR in RF and accommodate the fans viewing the game? Then let's sign a ton of left-handed pitchers.
    Since the removal of the trees in CF, I have long thought the high right field wall and scoreboard is the second worst aesthetic in the park. I have long dreamed and proposed that the incomplete overhang be extended in both directions, ultimately extending from the break in center field to the foul pole. To further add to the new look, scrap the existing boring digital scoreboard- bring back an analog look!, and then recreate a version of the stone arch bridge as "supports" for the overhang, with portions of the scoreboard within each arch along with added ground level seating, something like RF in AT & T:




    but built with arches like the most iconic public works project in the state:

    Updated 07-16-2014 at 11:09 PM by jokin
  17. naobermiller's Avatar
    Nice Data
  18. tarheeltwinsfan's Avatar
    I meant what I wrote...left- handed pitchers so the opposition could not take advantage of the short porch in RF, since their left-handed hitters would have trouble hitting our left-handed pitchers.
  19. rcfarmer's Avatar
    The Green Monster makes it too difficult for pitchers, when they adjust that then Target Field can change.
    Updated 07-16-2014 at 07:38 PM by rcfarmer
  20. twinsfan34's Avatar
    How often have teams made adjustments like this one in the past?

    PP* you mean LH hitters right?
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