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  1. Twins Fan From Afar's Avatar
    Nishi weakly flies to left after a 6 pitch at-bat.
  2. Twins Fan From Afar's Avatar
    Revere singles on second pitch on a liner-ground ball to the right side.
  3. Steve Lein's Avatar
    I'll give you that it may be too early, but I don't buy your argument about Baker ($6.5 MIL), Liriano ($5.5 MIL), and Pavs ($8.5 MIL) potentially coming off the books meaning they're likely to be spenders next year more than they have been. If they were going to be spenders, this was the year to do it as they had Cuddyer ($10.5 MIL), Kubel ($5.25 MIL), Thome ($3 MIL), Nathan ($11.25 MIL), and Young ($5.374 MIL) come off the books, and they replaced them with Carrol ($2.75 MIL), Doumit ($3 MIL), Willingham ($7 MIL), and Marquis ($3 MIL).
  4. Twins Fan From Afar's Avatar
    Good point, Steve. It is true their attitude is certainly more "small market and home-grown" than a true, big market team like the Yankees.

    I'm not trying to give the organization the benefit of the doubt too much here, but I do think that we'll see them spend more free agent money after the 2012 season, when it's possible that Scott Baker, Francisco Liriano and Carl Pavano will be off the books. We're only a few season into Target Field, so it might be a little premature to judge what they will or won't do with respect to free agency.
  5. TiberTwins's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Lein
    Just want to point out on the payroll front, that the fact the Twins are Top 10 or Top 30% in payroll, means absolutely nothing when you actually consider the money they spend. What is the biggest free agent contract the Twins have ever handed out?...It happened this year...was for 3 years and 21 million dollars...to Josh Willingham... Sorry, but that's the definition of what a small market team is. Look at the Angels, who can spend $240 MIL on Pujols, and $77.5 MIL on C.J. Wilson in one offseason. That's 15 times more free agent money for 2 players than the Twins highest free agent signing ever. Also, consider the actual payroll numbers. Yes, the Twins were number 9 in the MLB last year with just shy of a $113 MIL payroll. The Yankees were obviously #1, with a $203 MIL payroll. So doing the math, the Twins spent 55.66% of the top team. Doesn't sound all that "big market", does it? This year, their payroll has fallen to just short of $100 MIL, and they'll be somewhere in the middle of the pack in payroll, no longer in the top 10. Big market teams get top-flight free agents, and even in Target Field, the Twins have yet to do anything of the sort. All the new stadium has done, is allowed them to keep one homegrown superstar who if they were still in the Metrodome would for sure be gone right now. Take his $23 MIL off the books, and what's their payroll? Bottom half of the league, that's what. The increase in revenue at Target Field has not allowed them to spend a bunch of money and bring in impact players, it's allowed them to keep one player. Fact is, The Twins certainly have not all of the sudden turned into a "big spender" or been transformed into a "big market team".
    This is an interesting and puzzling point. Yes, they kept Mauer, but it seems they still have the small market team attitude when it comes to brining in free agents. They continue to cling to the philosophy that they do not have money to spend and they have to do it all themselves and refuse to bring in new players for the top level team. If they come in a trade and spend time in the minors learning the "Twins way," that's OK. It is hindering their ability to field competitive teams.
  6. Steve Lein's Avatar
    Just want to point out on the payroll front, that the fact the Twins are Top 10 or Top 30% in payroll, means absolutely nothing when you actually consider the money they spend. What is the biggest free agent contract the Twins have ever handed out?...It happened this year...was for 3 years and 21 million dollars...to Josh Willingham... Sorry, but that's the definition of what a small market team is. Look at the Angels, who can spend $240 MIL on Pujols, and $77.5 MIL on C.J. Wilson in one offseason. That's 15 times more free agent money for 2 players than the Twins highest free agent signing ever. Also, consider the actual payroll numbers. Yes, the Twins were number 9 in the MLB last year with just shy of a $113 MIL payroll. The Yankees were obviously #1, with a $203 MIL payroll. So doing the math, the Twins spent 55.66% of the top team. Doesn't sound all that "big market", does it? This year, their payroll has fallen to just short of $100 MIL, and they'll be somewhere in the middle of the pack in payroll, no longer in the top 10. Big market teams get top-flight free agents, and even in Target Field, the Twins have yet to do anything of the sort. All the new stadium has done, is allowed them to keep one homegrown superstar who if they were still in the Metrodome would for sure be gone right now. Take his $23 MIL off the books, and what's their payroll? Bottom half of the league, that's what. The increase in revenue at Target Field has not allowed them to spend a bunch of money and bring in impact players, it's allowed them to keep one player. Fact is, The Twins certainly have not all of the sudden turned into a "big spender" or been transformed into a "big market team".
    Updated 03-01-2012 at 10:16 AM by Steve Lein
  7. Twins Fan From Afar's Avatar
    Thanks for the comment. I agree generally that ball clubs are more likely to get better "value" from a player earlier in their career -- like the Twins did with Morneau, Mauer, Hunter, Santana, etc.

    But if you're suggesting that the Twins are small market, they aren't a small market team anymore. They went into 2011 with the 9th highest payroll in baseball -- that puts them in the top 30% of MLB payroll. Now, of course, they scaled back a little in 2012, but I'm sure they will still be in the top 35% or 40% of spenders this year. They can afford 1 or 2 big contracts at a time -- they just need their big guns to be healthy and productive.
  8. jeffk's Avatar
    "Joe Mauer has provided $145.8 million in value to the Twins during his career, while being paid significantly less -- $57 million in total through 2011."

    We should have quit while we were ahead. When you sign that next contract, you never get the value back. Getting more value than you pay out is the only way a small-market team can compete.
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    Thank you for the kind words... safe travels to Minnesota, and I look forward to your information from the New Britain Rock Cats circles!
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    Thanks for the glowing review!
  12. TwinsGuy55422's Avatar
    Good points. This is why I liked the Jamey Carroll signing whereas so many people thought the Twins were just being cheap. Although Carroll is entering the twilight of his career, he will be a huge upgrade over what we got offensively and defenisively from the shortstop position last year. He will provide a veteran presence and will help the team while holding down the position until one of these two prospects is ready. Hopefully, Dozier and Michael will push each other in the minors and maybe sooner rather than later we will have the problem of having two major league ready shortstop prospects. It would be so nice to finally have that position solidified for a while.
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  14. minn55441's Avatar
    The fact that Terry Ryan went out and signed Carroll, instead of a more long term solution to our SS problem is very telling. There were options on the free agent market this winter. We could have picked up a 32 year old Barmes, but instead we took a 38 year old player for less money. I don't think it was Terry trying to fill the spot on the cheap, but instead he sees the future arriving within two years. Dozier is 24 or 25 and I think Michael is around 21. Levi Michael was a 3 year starter on a good college baseball team. He was widely viewed as far and away the best SS in college baseball entering his junior year. Although he played almost every game his Junior year, he was happened by injuries that did affect his performance. Even with the lingering injuries he performed well and lead his team to the college world series. I will be really surprised if he isn't at New Britian next year.

    From double A is it s short trip to the Twins as both Joe Benson and Chris Parmelee found out last September. Jamey Carroll is definately a stop gap until Dozier and Michael progress. I think Dozier gets the first chance. Hopefully he gets a full season in Rochester and then a September call up. I would love to see Dozier fight for the starting SS spot with Carroll in 2013 and for 2014, hopefully that competition would become one between Dozier and Michael. I love the fact that we take flyers on these high school kids, but when we draft 3 and 4 year college players they should be able to move through the system at a much quicker pace.
  15. Twins Fan From Afar's Avatar
    Thanks for the comments, shanewahl and minn55441. Shane, I guess my larger point is that I don't want Nishioka to be clogging up a position at AAA if we have a legitimate prospect that could, or should, be playing there. Maybe you're right that he's better suited for AAA second base? I, too, would like to see Dozier start at AAA this year. Dozier at 2B and Florimon at SS?

    Minn55441, I'm not sure about Levi Michael yet. Don't get me wrong, I'm confident that he's going to be a good prospect, but even if he is fast-tracked, by Twins standards, we're still talking about MLB arrival no earlier than 2015 (3 full seasons in the minors) -- and that assumes success at every level of the minor leagues, and a clean bill of health (the latter of which is not a given, considering how banged up he was last season). It would be great, though, if he could vault to the top of our prospect rankings with a strong first season.
  16. minn55441's Avatar
    I agree with most of your points but you didn't include any discussion about Levi Michael and how his progression through the minors will also play into these decisions. Michael was our number one pick and has yet to play a single game for us due to injuries. I have heard that he will probably get his start in either Beloit or for the Miracle, either way I would expect him to move quickly to the same level as Dozier. For me the best case scenario would include two quality players fighting for one major league roster spot.

    I had high hopes for Nishi last year but after watching him for a year, I have no confidence in him at all. I wasn't just the physical limitations but even more importantly the mental errors that he made. I could see multiply mistakes every game from being in the wrong spot for a cut off throw from the outfield to minor things like indecision with where to throw the ball. He needs time in the minors, but like you I don't want to see him taking playing time away from legitimate prospects like dozier and Michael.




  17. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    I guess I don't see the problem with both Dozier and Nishioka at Rochester in the middle infield, both spending some time at each position. We know that Nishioka can play shortstop (even if not very well) but I still question his ability to be a second basemen, so Rochester would seem to be a good idea to play every day somewhere and to become an actual backup middle infielder at worst. Being only a backup shortstop is a waste of a Twins roster spot, in my view. And Dozier would benefit from playing both positions as well. Florimon is the third option there and that is fine. There have been some people proposing Dozier start at New Britain, but that seems a bit excessive! I don't understand why the Twins stunt some of their prospects. That said, it would be interesting to see a New Britain lineup in April and a bit of May (perhaps) of: Aaron Hicks, Chris Herrmann, Brian Dozier, Angel Morales, and Evan Bigley . . . .
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