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  1. Fire Dan Gladden's Avatar
    Seth, Nick, and Brock:

    I don't believe you read what I wrote. My discussion was not aimed at whether or not you "supported" the actual rumor, rather how you appeared to support to individual posting the source. Those are two different discussions.

    At no time did I claim TD leadership took the rumor as fact, nor did I say that any of you as individuals reported this as fact. The fact that multiple individuals have debunked Thrylos citing sources and claiming rumors should be enough for everybody to draw their own conclusions.

    Once the Baker news came out, John's post and Brock's closing the thread gave the impression that TD leadership was protecting Thrylos. Whether that was the intention or not, that was not how it came across.

    I know that TD leadership is working to maintain a level of civility around here. Brock and I had a discussion regarding this exact thing prior to the rules coming out a while back. I do agree with this, and feel it is a good thing for the TD site.

    My concern is how the TD brass handled the situation. If somebody other than Thrylos had posted this exact same thing, would it have received this level of scrutiny? By Seth's own admission, you guys monitored this closely from the start. Why? Because you believed the post might be true, or you knew that with Thrylos' history, this was going to blow up?

    My problem is that Thrylos has a well earned, very public, negative perception. If somebody with 10 posts had posted this and was wrong, those same comments would have been there and the thread would not be closed. But because you know Thrylos, it was handled differently and you are protecting him. Whether you want to admit it or not, the "piling on" as you put it, only hurts Thrylos. In 2-3 days, this all would have blown over by itself.

    By closing the thread, you are validating the bashing that Thrylos does. This is not about the integrity of a website. If it was, Thrylos, and those like him, would be under tighter control in how they comment. This comes across as very hypocritical for a site trying to protect individuals from bashing, then validating one of it's chief bashers.

    Thrylos will come back in the next few days. He will start ripping individuals on a local level again. Where will you be when that happens?
  2. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
    There seems to be a gross misunderstanding of what forums are and what they represent on Twins Daily. Forums are a free-for-all, a place where every user has a voice and can talk about any baseball subject they see fit (within reason). We do not sanction forum posts. They are not "official" Twins Daily topics. They are (mostly) user-generated subjects where baseball minds can bounce ideas and opinions off one another. No one at Twins Daily ran with Thrylos' report on Baker. It didn't make the front page of the site, which is the "official" section of Twins Daily where Nick, John, Parker, Seth, and others report on news they believe in from sources they trust. None of that happened. We monitored Thrylos' thread but didn't take part in legitimizing the "news". It's akin to blaming KFAN because someone on RubeChat announced that the Twins have traded Joe Mauer for A-Rod and a bag of balls. While we try to run a tighter ship than RubeChat (and thankfully so), part of running a successful forum means making allowances for users to say (sometimes stupid and off-base) things about Minnesota sports.

    As for the thread, I thank Seth for taking the bullet there but I was more than happy to close the thread. We didn't delete it, we closed it. It's there should you wish to reference it in the future. We were not protecting Thrylos, we were protecting the forum itself. We kept the thread open long enough for people to have their say on the subject and once it descended into "everybody dog-pile Thrylos", there was no reason to keep it open. At that point, the thread was no longer about baseball. It was about mocking another user with no substantive baseball discussion. To boot, another thread had been created that actually discussed the baseball topic at hand; the signing of Scott Baker by the Cubs. There was simply no reason to keep Thrylos' thread open other than to feed users' want of vengeance for Thrylos' arrogance and mis-reporting of the news.
  3. birdwatcher's Avatar
    C'mon, readers! Where's your sense of humor? Please please please don't scare thrylos away! He's part of the fun.

    And kudos to the TD leadership. You guys are terrific! One suggestion, though: you don't tolerate readers bashing each other, and that's good. However, you have loads of tolerance for readers who bash the hell out of Twins management and ownership, and the occasional player. I mean, really harsh name-calling and character assasinations. You might want to tighten up that part of things a wee bit. There are so many intelligent, informed, rational, and civil contributors. The mean-spirited name-callers, if not called out by you guys, should be fair game.

    I call thrylos and others out on their inappropriate stuff, and so do others. But I still like his bizzare thoughts when he is simply arrogant but not hateful. So, come on back, thrylos. And Jim Rantz did a spectacular job even though he's never seen a laptop according to you....
  4. Nick Nelson's Avatar
    I don't really get what you were hoping for. The thread wasn't deleted. It's still there, for everyone to see just how completely wrong (and arrogant) Thrylos was. But there was no need to let people keep piling on, flinging insults and puffing their chest to say "I told you so." That's the kind of stuff that turns away new users. This is a place to discuss baseball.

    Those of us who've been familiar with Thrylos know this isn't the first time this has happened. He reports "exclusive news," it usually turns out to be wrong, then he disappears for a while. I'm sure we now won't see him pop up for some time, so you really don't have to worry about him.

    Maybe the lesson to be learned here is, don't believe everything you read on the forum, especially when it's unsourced and from people who haven't won your trust. If something comes up that we believe to be credible, we'll acknowledge it and probably move it to the front page of the site. We can't be held responsible for everything that people post on the message board, although I think in the future we'll probably handle a situation like this a little differently. Speculation needs to be presented as such or it will be removed.
  5. Seth Stohs's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rosterman
    I agree. Over on SB Nation, one is taken aback, at times at pieces that do show they are humorous takes or fiction. But to have a blatant piece get billing as being legit, and even running on top of real news as it recently did, is just not right. I don't pay attention to all those other facts regarding the poster that you mention, but at some point...well, it is someone hurting the site as a whole in the long run.
    I just want to point out that we (TD Leadership) monitored this situation very closely right from the point that we saw Thrylos tweet that Baker had agreed to sign with the Twins (minutes before he posted it as a forum thread here). You will notice that none of the TD folks gave it any credibility. We never acknowledged it as legit. We did not push it out as an Article. It stayed in the forum, and was met with a mixture of skepticism and some belief. We made the decision to let it go and see what happens.

    We all can learn a lot from the situation. If people do hear news and want to post it as a forum, be sure it's legit. Be sure the source is really legit, and then be sure to discuss your rumor's credibility within the forum.

    I have broken quite a few stories at SethSpeaks.net or on Twitter or seen here at Twins Daily. A couple of them have taken up to 12-15 hours for the team to verify or to make public, and that can be nerve-wracking. But the sources I've had, I've had 100% confidence in posting. Obviously in most of these cases, I'm not going to name my sources, but I like to think that over 8-10 years, I've built up some credibility.

    However, when we have a site where the four of us write and we also have forums, things can get cloudy. In this blog, Brock is blamed for shutting down that thread. He shut it down because I couldn't figure out how to do it first. It wasn't, at least in my mind, about protecting Thyrlos. It was about moving on. It had been a day, and lots of people had their say. It was my opinion that the thread just needed to be done so we could all move on. That isn't to say that the thread should be forgotten, or that the next time Thrylos posts a blog reporting something that it isn't fair game to be questioned unmercifully.

    We have always wanted the forums to be good, strong, meaningful, thoughtful and a place people can go to have quality discussions. We understand the inherent nature of forums and know that there is a small percentage who choose to act a certain way. We have sent 'warning' messages to some people about overkilling certain topics or excessive bashing of a person or so. In fact, some people have been banned for various lengths of time following warnings.

    I don't want to fully speak for all five of us at Twins Daily, but know that we are trying We may make some mistakes, but our goal has always been to create a community of Twins fans able to discuss appropriately the positives and the negatives of our Twins team. Of course, with a couple of 96+ loss seasons, it can be tough. We want to be consistent, and we want to churn out quality content that TWins fans will enjoy. We want a thoughtful forum, but we know that some people do come in with the purpose of destroying that.

    We do believe that we provide Twins fans with the best overall experience of any Twins web site,yet we acknowledge that we can and we need to always strive to improve. And we will. Thank you for your concerns.
  6. old nurse's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Twins Twerp
    We should have a vote to remove thyroid...all in favor?
    Then they would also have to remove you for all the garbage you posted
  7. Twins Twerp's Avatar
    We should have a vote to remove thyroid...all in favor?
  8. Rosterman's Avatar
    I agree. Over on SB Nation, one is taken aback, at times at pieces that do show they are humorous takes or fiction. But to have a blatant piece get billing as being legit, and even running on top of real news as it recently did, is just not right. I don't pay attention to all those other facts regarding the poster that you mention, but at some point...well, it is someone hurting the site as a whole in the long run.
  9. J-Dog Dungan's Avatar
    Then it will come back, twice as strong as it was before.
  10. Highabove's Avatar
    The trading frenzy talk reached a peak when a few folks suggested that we should trade Buxton and Sano.
    Hopefully this fever is over until next December.
  11. Rube's Avatar
    I like your analysis and its been proven to be pretty accurate so far as the trade deadline is concerned. It also shows that TR is not the teetering old idiot that needs to be put out to pasture that many commenters portray him to be. He does have a plan and he will work the plan and see it thru.
  12. Fire Dan Gladden's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief
    You wouldn't be whining about the whining, now would you?
    Touche. If somebody doesn't say it, nobody will.
  13. Fire Dan Gladden's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by LastOnePicked
    Ahh, the mantra of the Midwest ... if you don't like where things are at, shut up about it and don't expect things to change. I get your post, Fire, but I disagree with your exhortation for us to "Deal with it." This is not the way the organization was run during the championship years, and if you don't expect better, you won't get it. If you find Central Division titles in a weak division satisfying in the best of years, then by all means -- don't set your sights any higher and don't demand more of the organization. One of the reasons why the FO doesn't do more is probably because many fans share your perspective.

    As a Dad myself, I know that 2 year olds sometimes throw tantrums for a good reason. But there's a line between whining and dissent with cause. The fans have a few good reasons to be upset these days.
    I can see your point of view, but you are ommitting something everybody knows. The Pohlads have run this team virtually the same way since they purchased it. They have said time and time again they have no intention of selling the team any time soon. I believe that within the confines they lay out, Terry Ryan is probably the best man for this job. While I disagree with many of the things Gardenhire does, I also believe him to be a solid manager that is willing to buy into the organizational structure. Because of the guidelines laid out by the Pohlads, you will not see any fundamental shifts in ownership approach to this organization no matter how much you complain. If you can't accept that, you are going to have a tough time being a Twins fan.

    Also, during their "best of years" there were a few times in there they were arguably the best team in baseball, so I don't necessarily buy into that argument.

    I have no problem with change. If you don't agree with things, the squeaky wheel typically gets the grease. Many posters here simply come in to stir the pot, demand rolling heads and complete changes without putting any thought into what those changes can bring. Change for the sake of change is not always a good thing.

    Lastly, as I've said before, I would rather have a run like the Twins had, or the Braves had, having a chance to win every year rather than 2 great years and 5 horrible ones. I enjoy the ride more than the glory.
  14. USAFChief's Avatar
    You wouldn't be whining about the whining, now would you?
  15. LastOnePicked's Avatar
    Ahh, the mantra of the Midwest ... if you don't like where things are at, shut up about it and don't expect things to change. I get your post, Fire, but I disagree with your exhortation for us to "Deal with it." This is not the way the organization was run during the championship years, and if you don't expect better, you won't get it. If you find Central Division titles in a weak division satisfying in the best of years, then by all means -- don't set your sights any higher and don't demand more of the organization. One of the reasons why the FO doesn't do more is probably because many fans share your perspective.

    As a Dad myself, I know that 2 year olds sometimes throw tantrums for a good reason. But there's a line between whining and dissent with cause. The fans have a few good reasons to be upset these days.
  16. Fire Dan Gladden's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell
    Your comparison of starting position players and the starting rotation kind of fails. The starting rotation has been bad for two years and a return to health won't do anything for 4/5s of this year's proposed rotation. Baker has an option that won't be picked up. Pavano's contract is up, as is Liriano's and Marquis is already out of the Twins' organization. Blackburn has struggled mightily and can't be counted to fill a rotation sport either. What we are seeing this year is the second five starting rotation and Ryan has to know that this group needs to be augmented from outside the organization.
    The Twins have a long and splendid history of having 4/5's be the foundation of their starting pitching staff. Even when they had "good" pitching, it was Radke and everybody else, or Santana and everybody else. While I agree that they should look outside the organization for pitching help, I do not believe you will see any major upgrades there. Unless something falls in their lap, or there is another major injury, here is your starting rotation for 2013:

    1) $5 mil FA
    2) Diamond
    3) Gibson
    4) Blackburn
    5) Hendricks

    I never said it was pretty, just that this is what you will see.
  17. stringer bell's Avatar
    Your comparison of starting position players and the starting rotation kind of fails. The starting rotation has been bad for two years and a return to health won't do anything for 4/5s of this year's proposed rotation. Baker has an option that won't be picked up. Pavano's contract is up, as is Liriano's and Marquis is already out of the Twins' organization. Blackburn has struggled mightily and can't be counted to fill a rotation sport either. What we are seeing this year is the second five starting rotation and Ryan has to know that this group needs to be augmented from outside the organization.
  18. Mchans24's Avatar
    I think this article has a good premise and the fire Terry Ryan people need to chill. I do think that Ryan. Feels we are close and that he may spend a little more to get one really good sp this winter. You add that to Gibson coming up, Dozier and Plouffe another year advanced and the emergence of our outfield prospects in AA I see no reason we can't be competitive in 2013/2014, he'll we aren't that far back right now!! I know the central is terrible but the Cardinals won 80 or 81 games a couple years ago and went on to win the world series.
  19. stringer bell's Avatar
    Waldrop is a reliever so he won't figure in any rebuilding of the rotation. I think Ryan will be pretty aggressive going after pitching, starting with the trading deadline and continuing through free agency. It would help their cause considerably if another arm emerged as Diamond has.
  20. old nurse's Avatar
    The GM relies on scouts. Ryan and Smith are only as good as the scouts they employ. I would foresee Ryan trading for someone else's minor league pitcher looking for another hit like Joe Mays as there is not much starting pitching at the higher levels that are not currently on the dl. I wouldn't look for the Twins to sign any pitcher as a free agent for more than a couple of years. That limits the talent they can sign.
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