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  1. Thrylos's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Crikket
    I don't understand the "not respecting their contract" thing at all...
    Alright. Let me give you a business analogy, maybe this might help get my point across:

    A person is hired as an independent contractor in a commission basis to sell cars in a car dealership. The dealership does not pay him salary or benefits, all the money he is making comes from commissions from cars he sells for them. The dealership also has a repair shop. How would the people who own the dealership feel, if the guy, along with every car he sold, passed out a discount book for car shop services from a competitor?

    THAT simple.

    And
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Crikket
    Expecting them to pledge loyalty to a MLB organization that doesn't have any financial skin in the game is absurd.
    No financial skin? The Twins are trotting a mufti-million dollar investment every day in Beloit (player bonuses) to play. If they did not do that, then it is tractor pulls and all you can eat cheese curd contests for those guys...
    Updated 08-07-2012 at 04:58 PM by Thrylos
  2. Jim Crikket's Avatar
    I don't understand the "not respecting their contract" thing at all. The contract is the Player Development Contract which simply dictates who's responsible for which expenses, etc. The MLB affiliate does nothing but provide players, coaches and trainers and pay their salaries and certain other minimal operational expenses (part of bats/balls, travel over certain levels, etc.). If fans don't show up, the local ownership loses money. The MLB team has no business risk whatsoever under the contract. If the MLB team wants to dictate what the local club does for promotions or what merchandise they sell or which players are "honored" in some manner, they need to buy and run their own minor league clubs. Not many do that, however, because that WOULD present a business risk.

    Minor league clubs and their staffs rely on local revenue streams to make a living and have absolutely no say in the make up of their rosters or the personalities of the coaches assigned. Local clubs that can't at least break even can't maintain facilities at acceptable levels and will eventually risk losing their teams. Expecting them to pledge loyalty to a MLB organization that doesn't have any financial skin in the game is absurd.
  3. Thrylos's Avatar
    Let me put it this way: Mandelaro and I have talked quite a few times on the subject

    And I kind of get the natives' point of view, but without the Twins (or other MLB teams), they would have no teams (or good luck at the Independent Leagues). And by pushing their history vs. the Twins' history (esp. when there is conflict) alienates Twins fans and it is not respecting their contract. And there are more Twins' fans than Beloit fans, who watch Beloit games. When let to their own audience (i.e. non-travelling Twins' fans) they have 140 people in the ballpark. Would it be wrong to give out a Sano bobblehead instead ? Past is past, but it is the Twins who are putting butts on the seats and players on the field right now.

    Of course, my point of view is that of a Twins' fan who does not live there and root for the MLB local team and not the Twins.

    Sometimes I kind of like what the Yankees do, which is call most of their minor league affiliates Yankees. Solves those type of problems and helps convert the natives...
    Updated 08-07-2012 at 12:58 PM by Thrylos
  4. MWLFan's Avatar
    I agree on the Beloit move, but the Prince thing doesn't shock me. They do a former Beloit Brewer Bobblehead about every other year or so. They also did a Bobblehead of a local High School Basketball player one year. They are trying to get people from Beloit Wisconsin to come to the games and need that type of localized promo. I do find it interesting if you read Jim Mandoloro from the Rochester paper he seems to think that the Twins may have "saved" their ability to have Rochester as their AAA affilate. His take is slightly different then most Twins fans who would love to have a AAA club somewhere in at least long weekend trip drive away from MPLS/St. Paul. But that is the minors for you.
  5. Rosterman's Avatar
    Every week this same stuff is handled in Twinkie Town, where the guy also gives a nice recap of teams in the Twins system. Usually stays pretty on top of transactions except when he and his wife go on the road for two weeks in the summer.
  6. Winston Smith's Avatar
    No playoff wins since 2004, 99 loss season last year, 14 gms under this year and the feeling from a lot of people is things are ok, a bandaid hear and there we'll be ok? I can't help be a lot depressed.
  7. J-Dog Dungan's Avatar
    Too bad Perdomo lost the beard.
  8. J-Dog Dungan's Avatar
    I think the Nationals have had discussions about picking up a Carroll-esqe player.
  9. Thrylos's Avatar
    Hard to tell what the best offer is. Actually in most cases you have to wait a few years. We all thought that the Bullock for Diamond trade was a bust last season, but this season is different.
    What I am talking about is more a matter of principle: You don't help division opponents and you don't trade within your division no matter what. Now the Twins have traded with everyone but the Royals in the division within the last calendar year.
  10. Winston Smith's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by thrylos98
    Some of us think that if he helps the White Sox make the post season (ie. add more $ to their coffers because of ticket sales, so they have more $ to spend to field a better team in the future) is a bad move...

    Nobody can ruin the Twins season. Ryan and Gardy and Co took care of that
    I would hope that any gm would take the best offer if he doesn't he's hurting his own team. If you look at trades afraid it will hurt you more than help you it shouldn't be made. If Ryan didn't take the best offer he should be fired.
  11. Thrylos's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith
    Do people really think he could come back to ruin our season?
    Some of us think that if he helps the White Sox make the post season (ie. add more $ to their coffers because of ticket sales, so they have more $ to spend to field a better team in the future) is a bad move...

    Nobody can ruin the Twins season. Ryan and Gardy and Co took care of that
  12. J-Dog Dungan's Avatar
    I really see the Twins keeping Willingham, and they (in my opinion) really shouldn't even think about trading him until the deadline next year.
  13. Winston Smith's Avatar
    Blackburn???? How much would we have to pay for somebody to take him?
    I don't see how trading in the division is even a factor at this time of year when he is a free agent after the season. Do people really think he could come back to ruin our season?
  14. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    5.7 k/9 this year in the minors. It's good that he is still fairly young.
  15. J-Dog Dungan's Avatar
    I have seen on MLBTR that the Cards and the Orioles are the ones going the hardest after Liriano.
  16. Thrylos's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by freightmaster
    Garza plays for Chigaco? Aug 31st? We will certainly know by then, maybe you meant July 31st?

    Good catch with the August/July thing... I corrected it.
    Garza plays for the Cubs (unless he got traded)
  17. freightmaster's Avatar
    Garza plays for Chigaco? Aug 31st? We will certainly know by then, maybe you meant July 31st?
  18. Thrylos's Avatar
    The point is, that, unlike Liriano, the Twins do not have to trade Willingham or Span or even Morneau, so they are waiting for a team to really give lots back. Makes sense.

    I would think that the Cubs would want prospects and they would not be scouting the Sux MLB team. Unless they maybe scouting someone like Casilla or Fien or Swarzak or something along those lines from the Twins
  19. J-Dog Dungan's Avatar
    I saw once on MLBTR that one GM said, "They asked for established pitching, established hitting, and a few good prospects to top it off (or something along those lines)." That, I would imagine, would be the kind of offer the Twins might be expecting to have in hand if they trade Willingham, who was labeled "so pricey, it made me laugh.
  20. Winston Smith's Avatar
    Could be the White Sox are looking at Garza and the Cubs are scouting the Sox. Unless of course the Twins may want to bring Garza back home, seems likely doesn't it? I bet you'll see a bunch of scouts at nearly every game this time of year.
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