What do you suppose "normal" turnover is? I suspect that in the 4 years since your list, the Twins have signed between 80 and 100 pitchers from the drafts and international signings. Obviously a number of minor league free agents have been signed as well. I think the Twins have been hurt by a large number of injuries during this time. Clearly your point that not enough pitchers have developed into quality major leaguers is a valid one. But I am not sure that just looking at the number of pitchers from the spring of 2009 and checking on how many remain in the organization really tells you anything.
If you always do what you have always done,
You always get what you have always gotten.
I like big Mark McGwire for the hall, but other than that I've got no arguments with the guys you listed, definitely a very deep year for HOF. I am interested to see what happens with Edgar Martinez being that he was primary a DH.
Jairo Perez was released from the organization under a veil of secrecy last summer, with no explanations given (apparently it was for "unprofessional contract detrimental to the team and such".) Ended up finishing the season with the Wingnuts and AirDogs... Romero along with Carroll and Sobolewski are the internal choices (and maybe some of the other middle infielders like Escobar and Florimon); but TR went out and looked for more (offering a contract to Hannahan, according to his words), which means that he is not happy with the internal choices. Really there is not much there... And I really think that Plouffe is getting his act together and needs encouragement (and not a fire underneath him...) and he is not part of the problem the last couple seasons.
Jairo Perez? Romero? From your free agent list there would be a clue to say there is no competition out there.
Plouffe seems to have the talent. When Plouffe is hot, he is a formidable hitter and a passable fielder. Maybe this will be the year when it all gels for Plouffe.
There is no way that Colabello is the third baseman, but I will not count him out of the 1B/DH situation, esp. if Morneau gets traded or Parmelee has a slump in ST. Colabello has been invited to the Spring Training with the big club this season.
Originally Posted by Top Gun
1B/3B Chris Colabello AA He is the man!
There is a reason Collabello has only played a few games at 3b and none for an organization that really needs one. Expected miracles abound on Christmas.
1B/3B Chris Colabello AA He is the man!
and a Matt Capps sighting. Top row to the left number 55. He looks like he gained a few because of the inactivity.
Come on he's tugging on his bill there! Pretty soon he's going to have to walk back to the dugout! Yeah, not a full 100 yard bullpen sprint, but Fat Capps is no Husein Bolt. He's a pitcher! And when you give a pitcher a flare up in the shoulder, he's gonna gain weight. I just hope those crazies in the left field bleachers don't hassle him when he gets back to action. Its going to take probably 4 or 5 saves at least to shed those dimples.
Also, Eric Hurley was released by the Twins. He had been at Rochester. It never got reported on MiLB.com, but it was in BaseballAmerica's weekly list.
Yeah CR draws about 2500-2800 per game on average, so that's comparable to what Clearwater is pulling. They shoot for 200,000 tiotal attendance for the season (70 games) and generally come in around 180-190,000, which pretty much allows them to break even anyway (the team is community owned, so there's no "profit" incentive). Tonight there was 4,000 for the CR game, which was a very good crowd. Like I said, the Eastern Division of MWL (where most of the newer stadiums have been built as the league has gradually migrated east in to the higher population areas of Ohio and Michigan) generally has much higher attendance figures than the Western Division.
A few years ago I went to a Miracle game played against the Yankees Class A team in Tampa and I was shocked... there couldnt have been 500 people at the Yankees stadium. Yeah it was warm but still... unbelievable.
Actually Clearwater is drawing about as much as your local CR Kernels who are also towards the bottom of the Midwest League. Same with the South Atlantic (also just an "A" and not a high A league.) Teams there draw better than the FSL. I think that part of it is the demographics in FL. I also think that another part is the darn high temperatures in the summer over there. A few times I was there in July and the heat and humidity make sitting outside for 3 hours for a ball game not a pleasant experience...
Spring Training is a different story. The Twins' franchise called Florida home since the late 30s (Orlando until the 90s) and for a good reason... Interesting story. Before that, the Senators' spring training was the ball fields of the University of VA at Charlottesville. Late Feb can be pretty nasty there, so there are interesting pictures of the ballplayers in hand knit wool sweaters with big Ws on them. Good stuff.
Of course, if this had been a "normal" year, the Red Wings would have been 10th of 14 teams in the IL. S/W-B played all of their "home" games in other stadiums (most at Rochester) while their stadium gets renovated. If they'd been playing in their own stadium, they'd have been well above the Red Wings' attendance.
I find the Florida State League figures interesting. The Clearwater (Phillies) league high attendance levels would barely be a respectable average crowd for Midwest League Western Division (the Eastern Division of the MWL does far better on average). It's just another indication that there's not a huge market for baseball in Florida. Could turn out that the new Marlins stadium was money down the drain and that it would be foolish to build a new ballpark for the Rays.
This is interesting. Thanks for posting it.
There are a LOT of interesting links in this blog. I have spent almost an hour looking at them. Thanks for the hard work putting this together.
First of all, the car dealer and independent salesperson will have a contract that would presumably spell out what is and isn't allowed/expected in terms of repair referrals or other peripheral activites. The PDC is very specific about what the limits are in terms of MLB/MiLB team responsibilies. Thus there is no "respecting the contract" issue. Each party has responsibilities that begin and end with the terms of the PDC. Period.
You also seem to think that the "loyalty" only goes one way... that the MiLB team owes its loyalty to the MLB because they cover labor costs. But the local team has NO say in who gets assigned to their team and the MLB team is also getting the benefit of having someone else provide the venue, traveling expenses, etc., for their players to play. Where would the Twins send Sano and Rosario to play if they didn't have affiliates? They'd have to buy and operate minor league teams and ballparks themselves and deal with trying to make those operations at least break even.
It is a two-way street that both parties sign up for. They both know where each party's responsibilities begin and end... exactly as spelled out in the standard PDC which is dictated my Major League Baseball. The MLB team gets a place to have their talent play baseball using facilities that meet minimum standards (again, specified by MLB rules). The local team gets talent to perform at their venue. The MLB team gets to move players in and out as they see fit, regardless of effect on the quality of play on the field. The local team gets the right to package and market baseball in whatever manner necessary to make ends meet.
Originally Posted by Jim Crikket
I don't understand the "not respecting their contract" thing at all...
Alright. Let me give you a business analogy, maybe this might help get my point across:
A person is hired as an independent contractor in a commission basis to sell cars in a car dealership. The dealership does not pay him salary or benefits, all the money he is making comes from commissions from cars he sells for them. The dealership also has a repair shop. How would the people who own the dealership feel, if the guy, along with every car he sold, passed out a discount book for car shop services from a competitor?
Originally Posted by Jim Crikket
Expecting them to pledge loyalty to a MLB organization that doesn't have any financial skin in the game is absurd.
No financial skin? The Twins are trotting a mufti-million dollar investment every day in Beloit (player bonuses) to play. If they did not do that, then it is tractor pulls and all you can eat cheese curd contests for those guys...
I don't understand the "not respecting their contract" thing at all. The contract is the Player Development Contract which simply dictates who's responsible for which expenses, etc. The MLB affiliate does nothing but provide players, coaches and trainers and pay their salaries and certain other minimal operational expenses (part of bats/balls, travel over certain levels, etc.). If fans don't show up, the local ownership loses money. The MLB team has no business risk whatsoever under the contract. If the MLB team wants to dictate what the local club does for promotions or what merchandise they sell or which players are "honored" in some manner, they need to buy and run their own minor league clubs. Not many do that, however, because that WOULD present a business risk.
Minor league clubs and their staffs rely on local revenue streams to make a living and have absolutely no say in the make up of their rosters or the personalities of the coaches assigned. Local clubs that can't at least break even can't maintain facilities at acceptable levels and will eventually risk losing their teams. Expecting them to pledge loyalty to a MLB organization that doesn't have any financial skin in the game is absurd.