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  1. AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS's Avatar
    Especially when Keith Law is one tough cookie to impress. This definitely made me feel good, especially when Keith Law has been saying right now Kyle Gibson is pitching in a hitterS league with inflated hitting stats. So Kyle must be on his GAME!
  2. Seth Stohs's Avatar
    Gotta like reading this!!
  3. John Bonnes's Avatar
    FWIW, if this isn't already a topic in the forum, I'd be interested in seeing what the wider community thinks about it. Especially when you're writing a short entry and asking for feedback, it makes sense to post it in the forum.
  4. Paul Pleiss's Avatar
    I'd like to see the Twins spend big money this off-season, and I'd also like to take a trip to the moon. Span has most likely played his last game as a Twin, get used to an OF of Revere, Hammer and Parm. Hopefully the Twins can sign at least one competant FA starter and get another in a trade and then just see what happens. I'd love to go into 2013 with some hope.
  5. beckmt's Avatar
    I agree that unless you want to spend big bucks on pitching this offseason, the Twins will have to trade to get more pitching into the system. This will entail some risks.
  6. mike wants wins's Avatar
    Or, whoever wrote it thinks the only way to get pitching is to trade some existing MLB players, and roll the dice with young guys.....
  7. AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS's Avatar
    Yeah whoever the writer of this question is completely abandoning all hope for next year. I agree with you Seth.
  8. Seth Stohs's Avatar
    Agree completely with his answer, including that a trade of (most likely) Span is inevitable.

    No way Hicks and/or Arcia is ready to start the season. Give them a half-season in AAA and see where they are. Last year, we saw a little of Parmelee and Benson. Both proved that they weren't quite ready this season (to very varying degrees). Let's see how AAA goes for Hicks and Arcia before bringing them up too quickly.
  9. Siehbiscuit's Avatar
    I agree. Revere is also still very young (starts next season at 24, Span, 29) and there's no reason that he can't still become better than Span. If Revere, improved next year by nothing more than drawing 10 more walks, his line changes to .300/.350/.387 and 10 more trips to first means more opportuinties for SB's and runs scored! Get something for Span while he is still a sought after commodity and let's roll with Revere.
  10. Twins Fan From Afar's Avatar
    Thanks for the stats. I guess my answer is either "both," or Revere. Once we factor in defensive metrics, Revere's lower salary, and the fact that a Span trade could (hopefully) bring in good pitching talent, I guess to me the offensive drop from Span to Revere isn't that big of a deal.
  11. Twins Twerp's Avatar
    Keith Law espn.com chat, 1987.
    Terry from Atlanta: "Hey keith, love your work, Tom Glavine is having an ok season for the Braves and looks like he'll get some ROY votes. What do y think his future holds?"

    Klaw: "Fifth starter on a bad team, long reliever on a good one."
  12. gil4's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by twinswon1991
    I just hope the FO learned their lesson from signing Blacky to an extension based on one luck based campaign.
    His luck actually lasted for two seasons - his 08 and 09 seasons are just about identical. (ERAs within .02, WHIP within .06, So/9 dropped .2, BB/9 was the same, W-L identical - few people have two seasons in a row that are that similar.)

    The problem is there were warning signs the whole time. The league eventually figures out guys that don't miss bats. Sometimes a young pitcher will start with a low SO/9 and then take a leap forward in the second year (Radke). Blackburn started too low and went (slightly) lower.

    Even at his peak, he was a #4 type starter, and those are the kind of guys you find after you build the core of the team. They aren't the guys you lock up as the core.
  13. mike wants wins's Avatar
    His stuff looks 4/5 to me, but his results say he could be a 3 long term. There aren't many 1s in the majors, less than 30 for sure......Frankly, if he's a 3/4, that's a good, valuable player. Any player can have success for a year or two, the real test to me will be next year. If this level of success is sustained, then I'll be more of a believer that he's "really" a 3. Either way, I think he's good enough to be a legit MLB starter, and the Twins should be happy he's here right now.
  14. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
    I can see the argument behind calling Diamond a #4 but I can't get behind calling him a #5 pitcher. He has pitched too well and too consistently to be graded that low on the scale. Personally, I think he slots more as a guy who can teeter between a #3/4 depending on season because of the things Parker mentioned. He'll get roughed up and then he'll pitch a gem.

    It'd be nice if he missed a few more bats, though.
  15. twinswon1991's Avatar
    I am optomistic that Diamond can be a decent #5 for the long haul with possiblitliy of being a #4 or better in stretches. That is much more valuable than anthing Blacky ever was.

    I just hope the FO learned their lesson from signing Blacky to an extension based on one luck based campaign. Ride out Diamond's cheap years as a usable starting pitcher and if he regresses to what Law sees you just dump him for the next flavor of the month.
  16. Thrylos's Avatar
    I think that Diamond could be a 3rd starter. His numbers this year show that. Law is a scout type. I bet his opinion of Brad Radke was the same (bottom of the rotation starter.) Just some pitcher pitch better than their stuff (ask Mr Maddux) and Diamond (not that am comparing him to that) has been doing it this season. Will he sustain the success? Maybe. But compared to the ones (DickNBert) who are calling him an "Ace", Law is closer to the reality.
  17. LaBombo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs
    Parker, based on having just a 45% GB rate in 2008 and 2009, how did Blackburn get this perception of a ground ball pitcher?
    Because the Twins had to come up with some sort of narrative to support the illusion that his success was sustainable.
  18. Parker Hageman's Avatar
    Parker, based on having just a 45% GB rate in 2008 and 2009, how did Blackburn get this perception of a ground ball pitcher?
    Good question and I don't have an answer as to why he received that label while being average-ish in that departmen. He always had a sinker and had high GB rates in AA and AAA (52%). What made him likely perceived as a ground ball pitcher is because he had so many well-played grounders in 2008 and 2009. In his first full season, he was second in the AL with 31 double plays and added 14 more in 2009.
  19. AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS's Avatar
    Probably because Gardy gave Blackburn the nickname of Groundy and it just stuck.

    But seriously, thanks for the input guys.
  20. Seth Stohs's Avatar
    Parker, based on having just a 45% GB rate in 2008 and 2009, how did Blackburn get this perception of a ground ball pitcher?
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