Hey JC, are you in that area where you don't get the Twins on cable, but you would also get Twins' games blacked out on the mlb.tv package?
I know there was a poster on another message board that had this issue. Total BS...
Edit: I just read the link you posted in the article so my question had been answered.
MWL Fan (and anyone else interested): I got this response from Kernels GM Doug Nelson on the question about whether they have a "meet the Kernels" event:
"Yes we do. This year's event will be held on April 2 at the ballpark. Gates will open at 5:30, fans have the opportunity to meet the players from 5:30-6:30. The team then takes the field, are introduced and then scrimmage. It's a fun and relaxed night for everyone and best of all it's free!"
I've bought my tickets by the "book of 10" for the past several years and it works great as long as you're sure you'll make it to 10 games. You essentially get 10 ticket vouchers for the level of seats you want and then, when you get to the ballpark, you go to a ticket window and exchange the vouchers for tickets in your level. Use them one at a time or all 10 at once, it doesn't matter to them. I usually buy 2-3 books of 10, but I'll probably get season tickets next year.
There are 3 levels of seating, premier, club and plaza levels. Premier are the closest few rows to the field. Club seats are a buck or two less expensive but are the remaining fold-down seats in the main "bowl" of the stadium. Plaza are bleacher seats down the right field line.
I usually buy books of Club seats. If I feel like sitting in Premier seats for a particular game, I just pay the buck or two difference for each ticket when I redeem them. The only "pitfall" would be if you happened to show up for a sold-out game after all the tickets in your level have been taken. That has happened to me exactly once in the past 4 years. I showed up right at game time for a game with a promotion going that I should have known would be a big crowd so it was my being stupid.
I believe the Kernels do usually have some kind of "meet the Kernels" event when they get to town from Spring Training, but I've never gone. I'm not sure if it's a public thing or for season ticket holders or what. But I'll check on that next week and come back here to post what I find out.
I have a couple fo questions for you JC. I have not thought of season tix as a option due to travel time from Dodgeville to any MWL locale, but I saw the 10 game Voucher option on the Kernals website for any game. Does that work pretty smooth to your knowledge and any pitfalls I should be aware of before I trek the family down there.
Also my wife wants to know do the Kernals do a meet the Kernals night like the Snappers do. We have made those the last few times and have had a great time getting autographs and pictures with the Snappers. We have to get oriented to the trip to CR now which is fine as going through Madison has never been a thing I have looked forward to. I like Dubuque more actually.
The manager, coaches and trainers are employees of the Major League affiliate and assigned by them, so the Twins will decide who they assign to CR. Someone at the press conference asked about coaches and the Twins reps said they expected some shuffling in their minor league assignments for 2013 but decisions won't be made until at least October.
The Kernels have TV cameras rolling for all of their games for the purpose of their closed circuit TVs (on the concourse, on the big video board for replays, etc.). Mediacom, the local cable company in most of the larger Eastern Iowa cities, also broadcasts a handful of Kernels and Quad Cities River Bandits games during the season on their public access channel. I assume the Twins believe FSN could work out a deal with Mediacom to carry the Kernels games that Mediacom broadcasts.
I'm not sure what other MWL teams might have similar (or even better) TV options.
Will the Kernels likely have the same coaching staff as Beloit did this past year or do teams generally find a local area coach to take over thier lower minor league affiliates? Also you mentioned some teams in MWL have cable coverage. Which teams?
Looks like a fine park
I actually hope this doesn't happen. I like having a non-affiliated professional team nearby - kind of a plan B for seasons like this.
Originally Posted by thrylos98
Would that be robbing (St) Peter to pay (St) Paul?
But yes, I think it would!
I'd certainly like the idea of putting an affiliate in St. Paul so I'd be saying the same things St. Peter is
Would that be robbing (St) Peter to pay (St) Paul?
I was kind of torn on the decision to expand the playoffs. On the one hand, I never liked the wild card in the first place, and adding a second seemed to me to go in the wrong direction. On the other, though, it does increase the incentive to win the division and not settle for second, so in that respect it actually moves us in the right direction. One of those weird cases when two wrongs actually might make a right.
It was not the Twins, it was Texas. Texas tried to own Clinton, but a deal felt through because they did not see enough potential for growth of the fan base (which is approx.26 K people) and enough projected revenue over the next 6 years in Clinton. It is very Easy to see why Beloit would be attractive in a Similar Scenario to the Rangers. Over 100K people between Beloit and Janesville, and the Snappers have not advertised at all in the offseason. A new Stadium would revive Beloit, but has been held up because of donors re allocating the amount of money to other organizations after the Stadium was not going to be put in the location that the big donors wanted.
Do you suppose the "team interested in owning the Beloit franchise" would be the Twins? They could buy the franchise, give Beloit/Janesville 2 years to come up with a new Stadium plan and if/when they don't, move the franchise to St. Paul. Just spitballing here. I like conspiracy theories. Burlington is community owned and I haven't heard anything about facility issues there. Even with low attendance, they apparently are operating in the black (even Beloit is supposedly managing to do that, but if they're forced to bring their ballpark up to standards, it could be problematic financially).
The good news is that in just 3-4 weeks, we'll know all the answers
The Twins are done with Beloit.......I have herd that a team is interested in Owning the Beloit franchise with an agreement to have a new stadium up by the time they get the All Star game in 2020. The Snappers board is not interested in doing a 2 year go around as a stop gap. George Spelius is getting old and he has said for the last 5 years that by the time he is dead, there will be a new team in Beloit. Beloit has 36K people, roughly 10K more than Clinton and Burlington. If the Twins are actually looking for a stop gap until St.Paul, that would be Burlington. Burlington has had the lowest attendance for the last 20 years in the MWL. If the St.Paul plan does work Burlington will lose their franchise.
MLB Rule 58 (and "Attachment 58") address minor league facility standards. There are two sets of standards, those for "new facilities" (defined as those with construction starting after Jan 1, 1991) and "existing facilities" (everything else). Sections 11, 12, and 13 of the rule apply to both new and existing facilities and address the playing field itself, player/manager/umpire clubhouse, etc., and maintenance.
Teams that don't comply with the standards can ask for a "variance." Variances can be extended for a period corresponding with the term of the team's current PDC. There's a lot of, "the Commissioner shall consult with... etc." language, but the bottom line is that if a facility remains out of compliance and are unable to meet reasonable deadlines for bringing facilities up to standards, penalties can be imposed. They range from monetary penalties up to and including forced divestiture of the franchise by current ownership.
I have no idea if Beloit's ownership is currently operating with such a variance, but having been to their ballpark, it wouldn't surprise me. It also wouldn't shock me if one of the reasons the Twins are finally looking to move out of Beloit is that they don't want to be the "bad guy" that is responsible for not signing off on allowing extensions of any such variances that might be in place now.
So, yeah... in my opinion, for whatever little it's worth and based on a layperson's reading of Rule 58, I think Beloit could face a required divestiture of their franchise if they don't have a stadium plan soon (which seems doubtful).
I'm not sure about franchises that might voluntarily be sold. A lot of MWL teams are community owned, so those don't change hands except for financial reasons.
Nice summary. I guess the one question I really have is, if there is a genuine interest in moving a Single-A team to St. Paul, which one would it be? You have to have a willing seller, so if Beloit wants they can keep their club and have a guaranteed affiliation with somebody as long as they want. That's of course if their facilities are considered suitable enough for the Midwest League. Is that standard changing? Are Beloit's facilities so under par that organized basebal would let they team be ejected from the Midwest league and a new franchise awarded? And are there any other franchises for sale that could be moved? Any thoughts?
I didn't stick around for his Mr Shucks jokes. When I ran out of beer, I politely excused myself to return to the picnic area where my beer (and food) was free!
Then again, maybe the free beer is what made the game seem long.
Great photos. Just great. I especially love Nate Roberts mustache. That is inspired.
I also love the tidbit about Vargas' home run and hearing about the young (and promising) relievers.
Finally, are you sure Saturday's game didn't seem long because of Mr. Horror Pants "Mr. Shuck" jokes?
As a Twins fan and Snappers season ticket holder, I certainly appreciate your work here as well. It certainly seems like the Twins have their foot out the door of Beloit, which is a shame considering that the number of Twins fans that have either visited, and created, since the Twins came in 2007. I now see as much, if not more, Twins gear than Snappers or even Brewers gear at most games now. The staff really has done a lot to promote the affiliation with the Twins, and despite the subpar stadium, it seems like it has been a good relationship for the past 6 years.
I would be curious as to where the Twins might go. It doesn't seem like there are a ton of other good options. Cedar Rapids would make the most sense, if its available, but I don't see many other options. QC already kicked them out of town to get the Cardinals, I'm sure Peoria wants to keep the Cubs, the Brewers are happy in Appleton, Kane County and Burlington just swapped 2 years ago, which only leaves Clinton in the MVL West. I really like watching games in Clinton, but I'm not sure their facilities would be big step up from Beloit. That leaves the MWL east, or heading south.
I don't see baseball leaving Beloit anytime soon, especially since the team is community owned and has been in the Black the past few years. But, much like 2006, I suspect they will end up getting the team that is without a partner when the music stops. From my understanding, that's pretty much how the Twins ended up in Beloit in the first place during the last big MWL affiliate shakeup.
But I will continue to hope that Terry Ryan will decide to step up and keep the Twins in his hometown!
I didn't include it in the post because frankly it was too long already, but I did look in to the possible SAL options for the Twins. You never know what's going on in the minds of some team owners, but I don't see much available down there. There are 8 teams with expiring PDCs. Asheville's been with the Rockies for 18 years and I didn't see any hints of dissatisfaction, though their attendance isn't great by SAL standards. Greensboro has hosted the Marlins for 10 years, gets good attendance and has been competitive... not much reason for change. Hagerstown is a Nationals affiliate and being in MD, I can't see that changing. Lakewood is tied at the hip with the Phillies (and going to NJ wouldn't exactly get the Twins affiliate closer to Ft Myers anyway). The CEO of the ownership group that owns Savannah grew up near Shea and is a Mets fan, so seems unlikely he'd make a switch.
That leaves Hickory NC, which has been a Rangers affiliate for 4 years, Augusta GA, which the Giants have threatened to leave due to inability to get new ballpark/facilities (and why would Minn want to get in another of those situations?), and Lexington KY, which has been an Astros affiliate since the team was formed in 2001.
Lexington might make sense for the Twins, given its proximity to Elizabethton, but they draw well and I saw no indication of any dissatisfaction with their current situation.