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  1. AM.'s Avatar
    OMW--the Hall already has cheaters in it, and we don't really know who the cheaters are. I agree with JimCrikket. If you don't want a Hall of Fame with Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens in it, why bother having a hall of fame?
  2. OldManWinter's Avatar
    How can anyone be positive what Bonds - McGuire performance would be without enhancement drugs?

    Sosa and McGuire 70 HR's at what 35+?

    How many people, athletes or no , can perform better at 35 to 40 than 25 to 30?

    No, the folks on that list are simply out of the Hall.

    The Hall is a unique honor. You cannot cheat to get in.

    Players like Oliva and Kaat are off the list for flimsy reasons too. Hall voters were unconvinced either were truly among the elite.

    I disagree. They passed the eyeball test for me and i can find less impressive players who are in the Hall.

    If you open the Hall to cheaters, where do you draw the line?
  3. grumpyrob's Avatar
    Good article. I have to say, I love baseball because it is a great distraction from everyday life. And while there are many tragic events which happen every day, I find myself thinking of baseball more than any of these. Why? Because it brings me pleasure to watch, and in reality, I want to be happy. And when I watch the news, I become grumpy...I guess I am selfish this way.
    I have been in the military for over seventeen years, and I have loved the Twins everyone one of those years, and for many more prior to joining. Baseball is a great morale and welfare tool I use in unwinding and relaxing. The distraction is greatly appreciated and sometimes, very much needed. With that said, I have been so frustrated at the Twins when I do get a chance to watch them, I have almost lost TVs. But like you said, when a team takes the field, no matter how bad they played the day before, or the even the lack of talent that they display, we know anything can happen. And that is part of the reason I love watching them play. And while I have not had the opportunity to actually see them play in person, once I do return from my overseas assignment, I do plan on making a visit. They might stink it up during the game, but as a fan, it is one of my many goals to do.
  4. edavis0308's Avatar
    Good article. I think part of the reason that it is easier to care about a baseball team is because our money is directly related (or should be) to the product we get out of it. If we all buy their gear and go to their games, we (should) be able to reap th benefits from spending our money on their business. We have a say - if their product sucks, we don't spend our money on it. It's too bad the opposite is happening.
  5. Jim Crikket's Avatar
    Thanks for the comments.

    I don't expect Jim Pohlad to throw money around like Illitch does with the Tigers and I don't expect them to go out and sign the top "ace" on the free agent market.

    But this front office is responsible for the past two atrocious seasons and while the players and fans have suffered through this decline, the ownership has seen the value of their franchise rise (primarily because MLB has been so successful, not because the people running the Twins have done such a marvelous job). I really don't think it's too much to ask of the front office and ownership to demonstrate a greater sense of urgency about fixing the problem they've created.

    There were a lot of mid-rotation pitchers available this offseason. They weren't ALL "bottom of the order starters". They certainly were not bottom of the TWINS rotation starters! And I'm sorry, but I do not believe for one moment that guys will not sign with the Twins because they have lost a couple of years in a row. It may take a little more money than a contender would have to pay, but to suggest Terry Ryan get off the hook simply because the very best pitchers will want to play for contenders is just being an enabler. You're telling the team, "you failed to improve the team when they were contenders, which caused them to take, but it's ok if you don't improve them now because they aren't contenders."

    If you ever want this front office and ownership to change their ways, you have to call them out... keep them honest. To make up excuses for them just convinces them that there's no reason for them to ever make a serious attempt to win.
    Updated 12-26-2012 at 02:11 PM by Jim Crikket
  6. old nurse's Avatar
    Open your eyed up some more. What front line pitcher has ever signed with a mid market last place team. Write all the articles you want bemoaning the spending. The reality you choose to ignore is that it takes two willing parties to make a contract. Sanchez used the Cubs to get the contract out of Detroit. The trade for Shields by KC is something the Twins could not pull of because they do not have the major league ready prospects to deal that KC did.
    Considering the Twin's needs this did not set up to be a good free agent class. No free agent help for the MI (Steven Drew as a defensive player was a negative, .250 as a hitter, 10 mill)

    What free agent pitcher other than Grienke was actually a number one starter? Sanchez and Dempster were used as number two. Marcum a three. The depth of the free agency this year was in bottom of the order starters. Precisely what you are complaining about them spending money on. see any of the thousand comments on Correia. Look back through the historical free agent signing. Top of the rotation pitchers do not sign with losing mid market teams they have no connection to. So is it that you expect a miracle to happen or what?
  7. nicksaviking's Avatar
    Great article, it's cathartic to read eloquent articles that properly sum up our collective frustration.

    Mike Illitch and the Tigers spend money on the team and field a competitve product to prove their loyalty to the fans, and as expected, the fans buy tickets and spend money at the stadium.

    Contrarily, the Pohlads and the Twins ask the fans to prove their loyalty to the team in the form of buying tickets and spending money at the stadium before they'll spend enough money to put a competitve product on the field.
    Updated 12-24-2012 at 01:06 PM by nicksaviking
  8. Jim Crikket's Avatar
    Well applying that rationale, maybe the Nats should have been really nice and sent us Ramos back along with Meyer!
  9. shs_59's Avatar
    I would of liked to see the Twins get a 2nd player form Was. for Span... (to go along w/ Meyer)

    I mean we sent Ramos and a pitcher for Capps

    why not the same sentiments in return for us?
  10. Jim Crikket's Avatar
    So, naturally, just as I get ready to post this, Ryan swings in to action and trades Denard Span to the Nationals for Alex Meyer, who sure looks like the real deal to me, though obviously not real enough to help a lot immediately. Sure should change those "top 10 prospect" lists for the Twins that are floating about, though.
    Updated 11-29-2012 at 03:45 PM by Jim Crikket
  11. Jim H's Avatar
    Trades for Twins could be a bit tricky. While "everyone" is available, if the Twins really want to contend next year, trading more than one or so from the current core will be difficult. There is no one from the farm that is likely to be ready at the beginning of the year and probably can't be relied on for a year or so, maybe. Trading young assets that could be impact players means you better get someone darn good. Look at all the complaining about trading Ramos even though he can't stay healthy and has yet to prove that he can either hit or defend well enough to be a big league regular.

    What the Twins really need is for someone to really want one of their "surplus" outfielders. Probably Span, and hopefully that can return a solid, above average starter. I expect you are largely right, the Twins will have to be willing to take on significant salary to improve the starting pitching enough to give them a good chance to be contenders in 2012.
  12. Jim Crikket's Avatar
    I'd actually be fine with (and might even prefer) the Twins acquiring pitching via trade if that pitching comes in the form of guys who will be around for several years. The Rays pitching, for example, would very possibly be better options than Jackson and Sanchez. I do think, however, that those two would represent considerable improvements over anything on the Twins current roster. The problem with the trade route, of course, is that the pitching won't come cheap in terms of talent you have to give up. With free agency, it's just money. With a trade it's young talent AND money. I also agree that most fans (and especially most bloggers) will be underwhelmed by anything Terry Ryan does, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't even try.
  13. Jim H's Avatar
    You make some good points, although I have never understood the fascination with Edwin Jackson. who has been a back of the rotation starter his entire career. He may have the stuff and the "potential" to be a top of the rotation starter but he has never pitched to that level consistently.

    I suspect the Twins will have to sign a free agent to a multi year contract, although I think most bloggers won't be pleased with their choice. They will probably acquire another pitcher with a multi year committment through trade as well. I am not sure that is a real good idea, but largely they have no real choice. I really expect the Twins to have up to 4 starters with at least some major league experience added to their roster or signed to a minor league contract by Feb. 1.

    As far as your point about the Twins minor league system, there is at least some chance that there could be some other starters from the Twins system knocking on the door to the majors within a year or 2. Wimmers and Salcedo are 2 candidates and their are a couple of guys from the last 2 drafts who could move quickly if they adapt well to being starters. Even a guy like Bromberg and maybe a couple of others who have been around for awhile still have some chance of being useful major league starters. Personally, I think, given a bit of good health, their is more starter talent in the Twins system than most people think.
  14. Jim Crikket's Avatar
    Exactly, ericchri. There's no doubt that signing pitchers to long-term deals is risky. It's far riskier even than signing a catcher to an 8 year deal. But the Twins won't give 8 years and they won't give $23 mil a year to any one of these pitchers. They're going to want some kind of veteran presence among the pitching staff when the next group of pitching prospects do arrive, so why not go get it now?
  15. ericchri's Avatar
    This sounds fairly similar to something I was thinking in the Money Matters thread. I wasn't originally much of a fan of signing FA pitchers to long-term deals, but in the last few days I started thinking about fixes that weren't just stopgaps but actually were part of the long-term answer, and I pretty much agree with this sentiment. I worry that signing a couple expensive FA pitchers to long-term deals, combined with Mauer's contract, we'd be hamstrung financially. But then I started thinking about the core of hitters we have coming up potentially taking a lot of the expense out of the hitting lineup so that maybe we aren't as hamstrung as you first might think.

    If we sign FA starters, I'd prefer it to be guys young enough and good enough to contribute for 5-6 years to bridge over from the current veterans to all the young guys that will coming up in the somewhat-near future. I don't want to have to rebuild the pitching staff at the same time as the young hitters are cutting their teeth in the majors.
  16. Linus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Crikket
    Sure those contracts may have been tough in a couple of years. But look at it this way, starting in 2014, the Twins are getting more ADDITIONAL revenue every season than they are going to owe annually to Joe Mauer. They're also likely to have an entire starting outfield making minimum salaries. Seriously, who among what's projected to be a starting position player for the Twins in two years (besides Mauer) will even be arbitration eligible?

    This team is going to have so much money off the books within two years that it is absolutely obscene that they are pinching pennies now.
    That's spot on regarding the relative lack of expense they will have going forward - probably half a line up not even arb. eligible. I guess we will find out between now and ST if they are really pinching pennies. I must say that if they continue to roll out payrolls of close to $100 million I won't feel cheated by their investment.
  17. Jim Crikket's Avatar
    Sure those contracts may have been tough in a couple of years. But look at it this way, starting in 2014, the Twins are getting more ADDITIONAL revenue every season than they are going to owe annually to Joe Mauer. They're also likely to have an entire starting outfield making minimum salaries. Seriously, who among what's projected to be a starting position player for the Twins in two years (besides Mauer) will even be arbitration eligible?

    This team is going to have so much money off the books within two years that it is absolutely obscene that they are pinching pennies now.
  18. Linus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Crikket
    First, thanks for the comment Linus. I was surprised to see it because I THOUGHT I scheduled this post to go up on Twins Daily tonight (I generally hold off at least half a day after posting on Knuckleballs before posting on Twins Daily, but I screwed the scheduling thing up this time).

    I know I read that Terry Ryan said he had had a few conversations with the Marlins about various players, but it's impossible to know for sure what those conversations were exactly, I guess. Did the Marlins really want something the Twins didn't have, like a high-upside pitching prospect? No idea.

    But the package the Jays got would have addressed many of the Twins immediate needs and clearly it wouldn't have required that they drain all of their top prospects to get it done. It probably came down to money and that's something I'm just getting really tired of hearing.
    In many ways it fit the bill for the Twins like a glove. Two top pitchers and a shortstop. I'm generally a fan of TR but will be the first to admit he is a conservative guy by nature, but then, that ain't all bad. Two years from now, Johnson is likely to be pitching elsewhere, Buehrle showing signs of age with half his contract to go and the Reyes contract could be the biggest albatross next to Prince Fielders contract 3 years from now. Now you are hamstrung going forward when you want to focus on the next wave of regulars.

    Having said all that, it would have been kind of fun in "let's have a couple more beers, what's your name Sweetie" kind of a way.
  19. Jim Crikket's Avatar
    First, thanks for the comment Linus. I was surprised to see it because I THOUGHT I scheduled this post to go up on Twins Daily tonight (I generally hold off at least half a day after posting on Knuckleballs before posting on Twins Daily, but I screwed the scheduling thing up this time).

    I know I read that Terry Ryan said he had had a few conversations with the Marlins about various players, but it's impossible to know for sure what those conversations were exactly, I guess. Did the Marlins really want something the Twins didn't have, like a high-upside pitching prospect? No idea.

    But the package the Jays got would have addressed many of the Twins immediate needs and clearly it wouldn't have required that they drain all of their top prospects to get it done. It probably came down to money and that's something I'm just getting really tired of hearing.
  20. Linus's Avatar
    The question really needs to be "why didn't the Twins make this trade with Florida?" as there is only one owner crazy enough to do this. There are no other deals like this out there to be had. It makes a splash but I'm not sure it helps as much as the hype will indicate. Johnson is soon to be a free agent, Buerhle got big money at a late age and Reyes got big money and is already not living up to it.
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