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  1. Rosterman's Avatar
    Kyle Waldrop!
  2. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    Yes, if the Twins DON'T spend $20 million on FA pitchers, the payroll starts dipping under 90 and down, down, down.

    I agree about replaceable talent. The Twins system has a lot of outfielders, long relievers, middle relievers, and likely first baseman (Parmelee, Vargas, and likely Sano).
  3. beckmt's Avatar
    Trading away REPLACEABLE talent for talent. This is not a zero sum game, it is a way to survive. Look at what Oakland has done over the past few years. Twins have a glut of outfielders coming, also have some first basemen coming if they do not resign Morneau. Use the excess in those positions to find pitching is the way the Twins have to go.
    That being said, I believe the Twins will have to sign an expensive FA pitcher for the reason of trying to keep their season ticket base, less this become a downward spiral until the next group of above average talent arrives about the same time.
  4. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    Trade away talent for talent. Sounds like a zero sum game to me right now. The Twins signing and ADDING to their roster . . . which can mean trading them later in the year, is the recipe for success.

    If the Twins want to trade Swarzak, Bigley, and Burnett for some middle infield B-level prospect at AA, then that is another story . . .
  5. beckmt's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by glunn
    I like your analysis, but wonder how difficult it might be to entice a quality free agent to come to a team that will have had the worst record in the AL for two straight years.

    Marcum and Jackson might put some weight on the value of going to a team that appears to have a better chance of being competitive. Also, if some other team wants them, the Twins seem unlikely to get into a bidding war.

    I fear that the Twins will bottom fish for someone who has some potential, but is less in demand, such as Ervin Santana.
    I do not see Jackson coming here(believe he still is a Boris client). I am hoping Marcum can be signed here, but believe the money for him will be higher than 10 mil a year.
    Trades are the way this is going to get done and a least one if not 2 core players will have to be traded to get the pitching (major league ready or close prospects) at this time.
    Baker would only want with a club option second year, not to be used as an advertisement for 2014.
    Am assuming Gibson will be here sometime in 2013, so Twins need a least one FA splash(for no other reason than to keep season ticket holders). Doing nothing is not an option
  6. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    By the way, a quick prediction: Yankees-Dempster, Red Sox-Haren, Dodgers-Peavy, Angels-Greinke, and Rangers-Sanchez
  7. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    Glunn, I understand that point. I think that Jackson is harder to get in that regard. I would put Greinke, Dempster, A. Sanchez, Haren, and Peavy at the top of the list of the big spenders, even though it would be a mistake to give such contracts to Greinke and Peavy in particular. If those five go to 5 different teams (Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Angels, Rangers, for example), then the market gets more interesting after that. Convincing players to come to the Twins has to involve a clear future in 2013 and beyond for success (telling X that the Twins are interested in Y, and vice versa, would be a good part of that). This blueprint would be what is communicated to potential free agents like Jackson and Marcum (and the blueprint isn't done yet). 3/30 is a baseline for Jackson, but MAY be high for Marcum. The Twins could spend 3/30 on Marcum and 3/42 on Jackson and that is only a $4 million/year increase from my plan and that means still under $100 million (+ for Baker incentives).

    Ervin Santana is not a terrible option. I do think that my blueprint, unfortunately, is at the top of the possible spectrum for the Twins to actually commit to and the likelihood is fairly low. Jackson and Santana is a bit more probable. Marcum and Santana more, Santana and Blanton more, etc. down to some horrible Jeremy Guthrie and Erik Bedard situation. I do think that they will add two pitchers though. Who they are is the big difference.
  8. glunn's Avatar
    I like your analysis, but wonder how difficult it might be to entice a quality free agent to come to a team that will have had the worst record in the AL for two straight years.

    Marcum and Jackson might put some weight on the value of going to a team that appears to have a better chance of being competitive. Also, if some other team wants them, the Twins seem unlikely to get into a bidding war.

    I fear that the Twins will bottom fish for someone who has some potential, but is less in demand, such as Ervin Santana.
  9. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    Haha, well yes. I am assuming certain things about him being targeted by Boston in a big way.
  10. J-Dog Dungan's Avatar
    Would you be able to live with Dan Haren?
  11. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    Had to edit that since I started writing it before Jackson's last start . . .
  12. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    And if Arcia falls to where he was in FTM in 2011, what kind of mismanagement will Twins embark upon with him!? I would like to see him get the extended look that Parmelee got (EVENTUALLY) at AAA this year. 200+ PAs.
  13. beckmt's Avatar
    I was not saying both Hicks and Arcia making the Twins roster, I was expecting one(probably Arcia). Twins have had a number of players jump from Double AA to the majors as hitters. I also expect that Span and Parmalee may be traded for one major league ready starter and one prospect/suspect. Do not believe in relying on Gibson or possibly Baker to help next year can be expected(though expect Gibson will be here next year at some point).
    I agree that Marcum would be a huge upgrade and hope that happens, but do not think Twins will sign two FA pitchers and will be disappointed if they have many of the same starting pitcher suspects they have this year. Most of those should be in AAA and used if needed.
  14. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    Beckmt, I am not in favor of starting the season with Hicks and Arcia making the Twins roster. I don't mean to say that *at no point* should Span and/or Revere be traded during 2013. I would like to see the continuation of 2012 success into 2013 at AAA for Hicks and Arcia.

    Nishioka's salary back is helpful. It's the difference between a Saunders and and a Marcum.
  15. darin617's Avatar
    Nishioka gave his salary back. The Twins save $3.25M. Now only if Joe Mauer does this for the last 2 years of his contract.
  16. beckmt's Avatar
    This does not clear room for the up and coming outfielders. I can buy into the fact the Twins will sign one FA starter, but believe they will trade for one or two starters.
  17. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    I don't know if Slama is in the doghouse. I don't know how he possibly could be. I mean . . . Alexi Casilla still got significant playing time this year!

    I don't know what the Twins WILL do, but that is not the point of this. This is what they SHOULD do.
  18. old nurse's Avatar
    On a recent post I mentioned a Gardenhire fault called a doghouse. Slama is in it. Therefore unless he is lights out awesome, he will be elsewhere.

    Quickly, as I have to get back to work, The Twins may sign one legit starter and probably a reclaimation project. To want two is reasonable. To get two is another. A Pino/Lawton type of player for a short term starter is more like what they will do
    Updated 09-28-2012 at 04:33 AM by old nurse
  19. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    I don't consider him a RF, no. I cannot believe this approach they are taking with him. This year was just WEIRD in the way he was treated. Anyway, his long-term future is not in RF. It's at 1B and DH. If things go well in the system, Parmelee will be a BENCH player (Sano moving to first . . . . ) or a DH.
  20. Don't Feed the Greed Guy's Avatar
    Shane,
    You don't mention Chris Parmelee in your outfield projection. He's batting .375 with three home runs and eight rbi's in the last nine games. It may be that you've slotted him in as the heir apparent at first base, but Gardy has been putting him in right field lately. How does he fit into your outfield, if at all?
    Don't Feed the Greed
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