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  1. Jim Crikket's Avatar
    Jack, I don't disagree that a pitching prospect is a risk, but given the total absence of even potential top of the rotation pitching in the Twins organization, I believe this was a reasonable risk for the Twins to take. I was not in the least bit interested in seeing Span traded for a relief pitcher, I don't care who it is.

    But the biggest objection I have to your post is the statement that Meyer competed against younger kids who were 18-20 years old last year. I'm sorry to pick on you, because you certainly aren't the only person to make a comment like this. It's one of those things that seems to have become acknowledged as fact just because it's been stated so often.

    But go look at the rosters of full-season Class A teams. They are certainly not full of nothing but 18-20 year olds. For example, look over the Beloit Snappers roster at the end of their season. A 20 year old would have been born some time in 1992, right? The Snappers had exactly ONE PLAYER born in 1992 or later... Miguel Sano. Every other player on their roster was born in 1991 or earlier.

    As a regular fan of a Class A team in Cedar Rapids, I can say this is typical. Sure you'll see a Sano (or, in CR, a Trout) come through as an 18-19 year old from time to time, but they are the exception, not the rule. Teenagers tend to spend their time in rookie/short season leagues. Typically, we see players 21-22 years old in Class A. In fact, just for the heck of it, I glanced at the end-of-the-season roster of the Nationals' Class A team in Hagerstown and not a single position player on that roster was born after 1989, so that would indicate that all of the guys lined up behind Meyer while he pitched there were older than Meyer.

    It's fair to question whether getting a pitcher who hasn't pitched above Class A for Span was a good deal, but anyone who claims he built his stats at Class A against a bunch of younger players simply is not taking the time to research the facts.
  2. Rick Niedermann's Avatar
    It is good to have you back! I like the analogy. I really don't expect much from the front office this off-season. At least nothing that makes us competitive. I think we will end up having to wait another 3 years until the young guys start filtering in to be competitive again.
  3. darin617's Avatar
    Welcome back Fanatic Jack. The Twins are only making it harder on themselves by not adding at least one SP by now. The Jeremy Guthrie deal set the bar very high for the mid level SP on the market. Anibal Sanchez will probably be a $15M pitcher now. Good luck pinching pennies Terry Ryan...
  4. twinslover's Avatar
    I must be missing something because I'm not aware of any offers for Capps in May and as far as questioning Ryan's decisions, I'm inclined to trust his judgment much more than the author of this post. Ryan's focus is building an organization that is able to sustain success long term, as it should be.
    Updated 07-24-2012 at 11:11 PM by twinslover
  5. Fire Dan Gladden's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by J-Dog Dungan
    there are several points that I would like to make about this blog:
    1. I really like the Carroll signing because it brings stability and defense to the infield.
    2. Zumaya's deal wasn't horrible, it was just a low-risk, high-reward kind of deal that went towards the low risk.
    3. I believe that the Twins are actively shopping both Morneau and Willinghammer, but that don't mean that they have found the right one yet.
    4. I think most GM's, like me, would put last night's debacle with Liriano up to one of those bad starts that all pitchers have sometimes (Verlander in All-Star Game , but you are right, it probably does lower his trade value
    5. Lester Oliveros, when healthy, hasn't been that bad and looks like a fairly good bullpen guy if he can keep injuries and walks under control. With Cole Nelson, you are probably right; but then again, we all thought the Billy Bullock for Diamond deal was the wrong move to make.
    6a) Nobody was expecting Capps to get injured, as he had stayed relatively healthy while with the Twins
    6b) Not many people would be giving away a "proven" (for what it's worth) reliever/ closer in May, because the likelyhood of you getting a good deal that early in the season is very low.
    7. Ryan isn't holding on too players too long, he is (hopefully) letting them build up their trade value so that other teams would be desperate to get their hands on them so they might give up more for the Hammer or Morneau than we might think they should.
    8. If we could have spared the payroll, I wouldn't have minded the Twins resigning Nathan, because he has been deadly while with the Rangers this year.
    9. The Capps deal was all right and was fairly effective until he got injured
    10. the Marquis deal, again, was one of the low-risk, high reward kind of deals that made Ryan look like a genius the last stretch he was GM
    11. I have to believe that Span is just going through a slump and/or dealing with the same kind of stress at the Trade Deadline that he did last year.
    12. I would say that Josh Willinghammer's peak value is right now, actually, because there are so many teams that are desperate for a righty power bat that the Twins, if they get the right offer (and believe me, the Twins should make sure the deal for them is like the Hershel Walker deal was for whoever traded with the Vikings), might actually be willing to part with Willingham.
    I agree with most of these. In general Ryan isn't making any moves until he feel the time is right and the package is a win for the Twins. Comments on a couple of your items:

    8. Nathan had no intention of coming back to the Twins. He felt the Twins would not be winners in the next few years and immediately signed with the Rangers before giving the Twins a chance to counter.
    9. While Capps pitched decently for the Twins, they could of had him (or someone similar) had they been patient and wait a few months. Instead, they misjudged the closer market and overspent on Capps early.
    10. The Marquis deal was bad from the start. Comp pitchers were signing minor league deals, no way Marquis should have got the money he did, even if it did work out.

    I too believe Ryan is pushing this team in the right direction. Ryan made fixes where he could, and is working through the starting staff. Remember he has the Pohlads directing him financially and he has to work within their guidelines. Outside of Tampa, name another organization and GM that has done historically more with less.
  6. J-Dog Dungan's Avatar
    there are several points that I would like to make about this blog:
    1. I really like the Carroll signing because it brings stability and defense to the infield.
    2. Zumaya's deal wasn't horrible, it was just a low-risk, high-reward kind of deal that went towards the low risk.
    3. I believe that the Twins are actively shopping both Morneau and Willinghammer, but that don't mean that they have found the right one yet.
    4. I think most GM's, like me, would put last night's debacle with Liriano up to one of those bad starts that all pitchers have sometimes (Verlander in All-Star Game , but you are right, it probably does lower his trade value
    5. Lester Oliveros, when healthy, hasn't been that bad and looks like a fairly good bullpen guy if he can keep injuries and walks under control. With Cole Nelson, you are probably right; but then again, we all thought the Billy Bullock for Diamond deal was the wrong move to make.
    6a) Nobody was expecting Capps to get injured, as he had stayed relatively healthy while with the Twins
    6b) Not many people would be giving away a "proven" (for what it's worth) reliever/ closer in May, because the likelyhood of you getting a good deal that early in the season is very low.
    7. Ryan isn't holding on too players too long, he is (hopefully) letting them build up their trade value so that other teams would be desperate to get their hands on them so they might give up more for the Hammer or Morneau than we might think they should.
    8. If we could have spared the payroll, I wouldn't have minded the Twins resigning Nathan, because he has been deadly while with the Rangers this year.
    9. The Capps deal was all right and was fairly effective until he got injured
    10. the Marquis deal, again, was one of the low-risk, high reward kind of deals that made Ryan look like a genius the last stretch he was GM
    11. I have to believe that Span is just going through a slump and/or dealing with the same kind of stress at the Trade Deadline that he did last year.
    12. I would say that Josh Willinghammer's peak value is right now, actually, because there are so many teams that are desperate for a righty power bat that the Twins, if they get the right offer (and believe me, the Twins should make sure the deal for them is like the Hershel Walker deal was for whoever traded with the Vikings), might actually be willing to part with Willingham.
  7. jorgenswest's Avatar
    There will be some pitchers who are out of options available in next week. Perhaps the final spot in the pen will be filled by a waiver claim. Any interest in Alfredo Simon taking Burnett's spot? There will others. The Twins have an early waiver claim due to their record. Maybe they should use it. I would guess that they are paying attention to available middle infielders also.
  8. Highabove's Avatar
    It would be very shortsighted of the Twins, to again allow Burnett to struggle and fail in the Major Leagues. He desperately needs to learn how to pitch in AAA. Several years of failing in the Big Leagues may ruin him for good.
  9. Fanatic Jack's Avatar
    I believe it's pretty much a lock that Chris Parmelee makes the roster now. He will play mostly 1B, some right field, and an occasional DH. This will ensure his bat is in the lineup everyday.
  10. headcheese's Avatar
    parmelee should absolutely be playing with the twins. he is hitting .397 and slugging .664 in this video game on my phone. if these numbers can translate to real life, the twins will be dealing with an "MVP-type" player. also we could use a few extra HR!!
  11. Twins Fan From Afar's Avatar
    Seth, I don't think it is clear for Parmelee.
    I think the Twins are willing to go with a Doumit/Mauer/Hughes rotation at 1B to figure out what's going on with Morneau, if he is not able to play in the field.
    It's interesting --- if you read Gardy's comments in this evening's article in the Pioneer Press, it doesn't necessarily indicate that Morneau is unable to play the field, so much as it indicates that the Twins don't want to take chances there now, and do want to see others get some reps there.
    "We just want him to take it nice and easy and let him finish and get his swing in order."
    http://www.twincities.com/twins/ci_2...open-season-at
  12. Seth Stohs's Avatar
    The clear thing is that for Parmelee to be up with the Twins to start the season, he will be starting, and at 1B. If they feel that it would work for Doumit, Hughes and Mauer to play 1B, then Parmelee gets to develop by playing 1B every day (pretty much) in Rochester. Neither is a bad situation... He'll be playing every day.
  13. Thrylos's Avatar
    Seth, it looks like Morneau will be the DH, but the Twins took looks at Doumit and Hughes at 1B today. So I think the Parmelee talk is a bit premature. Another 10 games to play or so left. We'll see. Again, if Parmelee means no Butera I am so good with it
  14. Seth Stohs's Avatar
    I think it's pretty clear that... as of today... the Twins would go with Parmelee at 1B and Morneau DHing. So, to answer the title, Yes.
  15. TwinsGuy55422's Avatar
    I tend to agree that we didn't do enough to address the pitching staff, but I am willing to see how things play out before passing judgment. I am intrigued by guys like Doyle, Gutierrez, Oliveros, Hendriks, etc. and am hoping that some of these guys can take the next step.
  16. Fanatic Jack's Avatar
    No doubt Ryan inherited a mess but to not upgrade the pitching staff with at least one quality pitcher is flat out nave. He is very smart and has to know that Marquis does not help the club at all. The bullpen was the worst in MLB last season and their best reliever (Nathan) is gone. Signing Zumaya after his injury history is like playing the lottery. People called me negative when I predicted he would not make it through spring training. So now they need two guys to step up instead of one. Jared Burton has been a surprise, and Bulger and Burnett disappointments.
  17. Thrylos's Avatar
    Here is the thing (and, as you very well know, I am less of a Terry Ryan fan than you are ) :

    I agree. Everyone in this organization should be held accountable, but to hold someone accountable you have to see results. If this season is another losing season, then Ryan cannot be held accountable (and Gardy and others). But you cannot hold someone accountable for projected or imaginary results. Let's see the results and then we can start pointing fingers (if you are into pointing out fingers.)
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