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  1. Oldgoat_MN's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by AM.
    Were you really struck by lightning four times?
    Of course he was.
    Have you not read his articles before?
  2. goulik's Avatar
    I think the main point made here is that the Twins do have the money to make a splash. With all the youth coming up, a front loaded contract could be made (see also Zach Parise) and if the players ability declines it would be less difficult to trade him down the line when abilities are fading and contracts for Sano, Buxton, Rosario, Arcia, Meyers, May, etc... start getting up there.
  3. AM.'s Avatar
    Were you really struck by lightning four times?
  4. YourHouseIsMyHouse's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Siehbiscuit
    Thanks for the laugh this morning. Well written.
    Pretty funny indeed.
  5. Jim Crikket's Avatar
    I can't help with the penguins, but I know we can find some pigeons and some black and white paint. He'll never know the difference.
  6. Siehbiscuit's Avatar
    Thanks for the laugh this morning. Well written.
  7. gil4's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by gil4
    Smiley was a one-year rental the whole way. IIRC, he wasn't happy with the trade and wasn't happy to be with the Twins, and there was zero possibility of re-signing him.
    I just want to add that it wasn't a Tommy Herr situation where he hated us and we hated him. Smiley was a damn good pitcher and I think most of us would have been happy to have him stick around. He had a down year after he got paid, but then he came back and was good again for three years before his arm fell off.

    Using ERA+, his best year was with the Twins.
  8. spycake's Avatar
    Also, IIRC, the day after the Sorrento trade, Hrbek injured himself and missed the first couple weeks of the season. Not a good omen.
  9. gil4's Avatar
    Krueger was decent, going 10-6 with a 4.30 ERA in 27 starts
    He was great through June - 8-2, 2.60 ERA, in 16 starts. He was then horrible in July and August and then was traded for Darren Reed, a pinch-non-hitter (.182/.216/.242 with the Twins, basically in line with his numbers in his brief career.)

    If Krueger had kept pitching like he had been, the Twins might have stayed in the race. (They fell out of first for good in early August.) Of course, if he was capable of sustaining that success, he wouldn't have been available as a scrap-heap pickup in the first place.

    It was an exciting season until it fell apart. Smiley was a one-year rental the whole way. IIRC, he wasn't happy with the trade and wasn't happy to be with the Twins, and there was zero possibility of re-signing him.
  10. Hosken Bombo Disco's Avatar
    The 1992 team would have been a playoff team under today's alignment, but man oh man memories of that 91 season helped many of us through the rest of the 90s :-)
    Video: MLB Network Remembers: Game 7 of the 1991 Series | MLB.com
  11. mnfanforlife's Avatar
    Haha! Gardy needs a fresh look
  12. Brad Swanson's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Willihammer
    Question: who stands more upright at the plate, Wil Myers or Evan Longoria?
    I wish I was qualified to answer that question. Is it possible that the Rays traded for Myers to corner the market on upright batting stances? Have we hit on the next market inefficiency?
  13. Willihammer's Avatar
    Question: who stands more upright at the plate, Wil Myers or Evan Longoria?
  14. Brad Swanson's Avatar
    Oh yeah, I totally agree that we can't discount Dozier. A lot of his value does come from his defense and I do think Rosario has more offensive upside. You can't take away what Dozier has done this season though. I'm not sure Rosario will be better, but I'd just hate to move him off of a better defensive position before he needs to be moved.
  15. Oldgoat_MN's Avatar
    For the second half of this season Dozier has the 6th highest WAR of the 23 that 'qualify'.
    All 5 of those above him have a higher BABIP, so it's not just luck. (stats here if you want to look for yourself)

    I think we need to see Dozier next year to see what we really have. I believe that just assuming Rosario is better is premature.
  16. Brad Swanson's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by spycake
    Just looking at your first example, Viola started 22 games and pitched 126 innings for his -0.1 WAR. Extrapolate Gibson's -0.8 WAR from his 10 starts and he's quite a bit worse.

    Actually all of your pitching examples have this problem. Looking at ERA+ would be better, and Gibson is notably worse than all of them (although to be fair he had fewer starts/innings than everyone except Garza). The only way to excuse it is the injury and small sample size.

    Hicks fares a bit better in these comparisons. Although I do note that all of your comparables had much lower K rates, both as rookies and through their minor league careers.
    It's also possible that Gibson would have improved if given more starts. I agree, ERA+ would have been a better measure for the pitchers. I just chose WAR so I could use it for all ten guys.

    For the sake of completeness:

    Gibson: 63
    Viola: 82
    Santana: 80
    Garza: 78
    Lohse: 80
  17. spycake's Avatar
    Just looking at your first example, Viola started 22 games and pitched 126 innings for his -0.1 WAR. Extrapolate Gibson's -0.8 WAR from his 10 starts and he's quite a bit worse.

    Actually all of your pitching examples have this problem. Looking at ERA+ would be better, and Gibson is notably worse than all of them (although to be fair he had fewer starts/innings than everyone except Garza). The only way to excuse it is the injury and small sample size.

    Hicks fares a bit better in these comparisons. Although I do note that all of your comparables had much lower K rates, both as rookies and through their minor league careers.
  18. Brad Swanson's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking
    I disliked John Moses and did so vehemently. Mostly it was unfounded as it was because he simply replaced Tom Brunansky in RF when Bruno was traded for the human puddle of vomit. Side note, I also disliked the human puddle of vomit. I loved Bruno and no one was going to replace him, I would have felt better if the team had run only eight defenders out each inning and just asked Puckett and Gladden to cover the entire outfield.

    I did enjoy one thing about Moses; he was the first position player that I remember coming in to pitch in a blowout. It wasn't a new practice but it was novel to me. The Twins actually asked him to pitch three times, though Cuddyer, Butera and Carroll laugh at his 9.00 career ERA.
    It's fun to hear about other people's most irrationally hated Twins. Mine was Bob Wells. I despised Bob Wells. I'm not even sure why. He was just a middle reliever, but I loathed him. I would get physically uncomfortable when he entered a game.
  19. Pius Jefferson's Avatar
    Unfortunately, this was the only famous Brad Swanson.
    That beats having the same name of a pedophile/ serial killer.
  20. spycake's Avatar
    I too distinctly remember Moses pitching, probably my earliest Twins radio memory in 1990 (probably the July game that year).
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