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  1. old nurse's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by AM.
    Lefty-leaning line-ups will also gain a bigger platoon advantage. Switch hitters get 100% platoon advantage, lefties get 70%, righties get 30%.

    So the Twins gain advantage by batting lefties and switch hitters, although we know that they never platoon.
    It depends on how loose your definition of platoon is. There are outfielders and backup catchers that rarely see left handed pitching. Plouffe's days off are against right handed pitching.
  2. AM.'s Avatar
    Lefty-leaning line-ups will also gain a bigger platoon advantage. Switch hitters get 100% platoon advantage, lefties get 70%, righties get 30%.

    So the Twins gain advantage by batting lefties and switch hitters, although we know that they never platoon.
  3. jorgenswest's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim H
    I appreciate the work that went into this post. I am afraid that what I take away from it is that if you have good hitters, platoon advantage doesn't matter. Also getting platoon advantage doesn't necessarily make you a good hitting team. Most of the teams near the top of your list in platoon advantage aren't really that good of hitting teams.
    I should have added runs scored rank.

    Cleveland and Oakland are third and fourth in runs scored. They may not have several great individual hitters but as a group they score a lot of runs. Boston is first. Baltimore fifth. They all get better than average platoon advantage. Detroit is second in runs scored and the only one in the top five that get below league average platoon advantage.
    Updated 09-28-2013 at 01:42 PM by jorgenswest
  4. Jim H's Avatar
    I appreciate the work that went into this post. I am afraid that what I take away from it is that if you have good hitters, platoon advantage doesn't matter. Also getting platoon advantage doesn't necessarily make you a good hitting team. Most of the teams near the top of your list in platoon advantage aren't really that good of hitting teams.
  5. jorgenswest's Avatar
    You caused me to check...

    Josmil Pinto 5'11"
    Chris Herrmann 6'0"
    Matthew Koch 6'0"

    I hope you are correct.

    Doumit is 6'1" so there is skill involved in this other than height. Height helps. You can't teach Joe to be 5'11".
  6. Willihammer's Avatar
    I wouldn't doubt its harder for an umpire to stare over a 6' 5" frame than a 6 foot one.

    According to umpire.org:

    A major error umpires make is that their head is too low.* Thus, they cannot see the outside corner of the plate because the catcher’s head is in the way. The bottom of the chin should be no lowerthan the top of the catcher’s helmet. If the catcher lines up inside then the height of the head may be even higher.
    Emphasis mine.

    Shorter catchers would be able to crouch lower, allowing umpires to crouch lower, giving them a better view of low pitches and presumably call more strikes down there.
  7. Oldgoat_MN's Avatar
    I agree that Mauer's value is greatest when he is behind the plate. I expect that he is working on framing as part of his effort to be the best that he can be. At least I hope so.

    One thing that is interesting to me is that the Molina brothers are 5'11", 5'11" and 6'0".
    Hank Conger, rated #1 for framing so far this year, is 6'1".
    Lucroy, who they also chat up, is 6'0".

    Is it more difficult for a tall man, such as Mauer, to make those borderline pitches look like strikes?
  8. jdotmcmahon's Avatar
    Moving Mauer to first base before it's necessary eliminates the singular advantage the Twins have at any position on the diamond right now. He is a solid-average framer and he's throwing out runners as well as he has in his career right now, with no injuries to speak of. He needs to stay behind the dish as long as he can do it effectively to maximize his value.
  9. Brad Swanson's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Willihammer
    Dirty little fact that probably doesn't mean anything: The 2012 Twins were a better than .500 ballclub in the 33 games where Butera started at catcher.

    I was a little surprised to see Mauer had showed up on the wrong side of the 7/26 week's framing leaderboards. Parker's already pointed out how Mauer doesn't get many low strikes, but if he isn't getting the side to side strikes or the high strikes anymore, then there's even less reason to keep him crouching on that twice surgically repaired left knee.

    I think with Morneau leaving, and Mauer going into his age 31 season, the time is ripe to take a shot at a David Ross or Jose Molina this offseason while these elite framers are still cheap. Then shift Mauer into the primary 1B / backup C role once and for all.
    First, great stuff as always, jorgenswest. Second, I agree with this idea. The perception is that Mauer doesn't have the bat to produce as a first baseman, but his wRC+ would be fifth among all MLB first basemen at 145. I also love the idea of getting in on the ground floor of the catcher framing wave, so to speak.
  10. Willihammer's Avatar
    Dirty little fact that probably doesn't mean anything: The 2012 Twins were a better than .500 ballclub in the 33 games where Butera started at catcher.

    I was a little surprised to see Mauer had showed up on the wrong side of the 7/26 week's framing leaderboards. Parker's already pointed out how Mauer doesn't get many low strikes, but if he isn't getting the side to side strikes or the high strikes anymore, then there's even less reason to keep him crouching on that twice surgically repaired left knee.

    I think with Morneau leaving, and Mauer going into his age 31 season, the time is ripe to take a shot at a David Ross or Jose Molina this offseason while these elite framers are still cheap. Then shift Mauer into the primary 1B / backup C role once and for all.
  11. Brad Swanson's Avatar
    I really enjoyed this post and I appreciate the amount of research you put into your writing. I think that the concept and role of closer is a bit overrated, but good closers are not overrated. I'm not sure that makes perfect sense, but if you have an excellent pitcher who also happens to be your closer, I think that has value, especially if that player is cheap. Perkins is cheap and effective. Sometimes the closer role hamstrings managers, but if used properly, a late-inning reliever like Perkins is far from overrated.
  12. johnnydakota's Avatar
    [QUOTE=beckmt;bt8232]Agreed, I would trade Correia for the right prospect. Twins need all the pitching prospects they can get. They also have plenty of AAA options, who might be cheaper and slightly worse than Correia.[/QUOTE]

    That fits in perfectly with Terrys way of doing business.
  13. jorgenswest's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by beckmt
    Agreed, I would trade Correia for the right prospect. Twins need all the pitching prospects they can get. They also have plenty of AAA options, who might be cheaper and slightly worse than Correia.
    I don't think they will get anyone that will look like the right prospect. They will have to find a useful player amidst uninspiring minor league performance like a Ryan Pressly.
  14. johnnydakota's Avatar
    Other trade talks , former Twin Cuddyer may be heading to Pittsburg for Taillon.
    a nice coupe for the Rockies
  15. beckmt's Avatar
    Agreed, I would trade Correia for the right prospect. Twins need all the pitching prospects they can get. They also have plenty of AAA options, who might be cheaper and slightly worse than Correia.
  16. h2oface's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jorgenswest
    Fair enough. Technology is reasonable solution. It certainly would help the Twins. Does it matter that this technology might only be available in the major leagues?
    I don't think so, but I am sure that some will argue about that and the very essence of the change with fervor. Maybe the mound should be raised back to where it was and the DH taken away, and the soft ball returned, and all the other changes that were hard for the non-progressives to take, too? Naaaaaa.
  17. jorgenswest's Avatar
    An argument I should have added, they can trade Correia for the C+ prospect and seek a replacement in free agency. It really is on the shoulders of the scouting department to find that prospect that most others value as C+ but they believe is better.
  18. Brad Swanson's Avatar
    These articles are really great. I appreciate the level of research that is included. I would agree that keeping Correia is probably the way to go, considering the return he would likely demand.
  19. howieramone's Avatar
    Good job! I would keep him after reading your article.
  20. jorgenswest's Avatar
    The Twins non tendered Mijares a few years ago to avoid arbitration. Mijares had a better track record as a relief pitcher than Duensing. I would think Duensing will be nontendered or DFA'd prior to the end of the season.

    On the other hand, they took Butera to arbitration and his performance as a catcher is probably a comp to Duensing's as a reliever.

    They may designate him and use the 10 days to find a trade partner and take any offer.
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