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  1. Brad Swanson's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Willihammer
    Dirty little fact that probably doesn't mean anything: The 2012 Twins were a better than .500 ballclub in the 33 games where Butera started at catcher.

    I was a little surprised to see Mauer had showed up on the wrong side of the 7/26 week's framing leaderboards. Parker's already pointed out how Mauer doesn't get many low strikes, but if he isn't getting the side to side strikes or the high strikes anymore, then there's even less reason to keep him crouching on that twice surgically repaired left knee.

    I think with Morneau leaving, and Mauer going into his age 31 season, the time is ripe to take a shot at a David Ross or Jose Molina this offseason while these elite framers are still cheap. Then shift Mauer into the primary 1B / backup C role once and for all.
    First, great stuff as always, jorgenswest. Second, I agree with this idea. The perception is that Mauer doesn't have the bat to produce as a first baseman, but his wRC+ would be fifth among all MLB first basemen at 145. I also love the idea of getting in on the ground floor of the catcher framing wave, so to speak.
  2. Willihammer's Avatar
    Dirty little fact that probably doesn't mean anything: The 2012 Twins were a better than .500 ballclub in the 33 games where Butera started at catcher.

    I was a little surprised to see Mauer had showed up on the wrong side of the 7/26 week's framing leaderboards. Parker's already pointed out how Mauer doesn't get many low strikes, but if he isn't getting the side to side strikes or the high strikes anymore, then there's even less reason to keep him crouching on that twice surgically repaired left knee.

    I think with Morneau leaving, and Mauer going into his age 31 season, the time is ripe to take a shot at a David Ross or Jose Molina this offseason while these elite framers are still cheap. Then shift Mauer into the primary 1B / backup C role once and for all.
  3. Brad Swanson's Avatar
    I really enjoyed this post and I appreciate the amount of research you put into your writing. I think that the concept and role of closer is a bit overrated, but good closers are not overrated. I'm not sure that makes perfect sense, but if you have an excellent pitcher who also happens to be your closer, I think that has value, especially if that player is cheap. Perkins is cheap and effective. Sometimes the closer role hamstrings managers, but if used properly, a late-inning reliever like Perkins is far from overrated.
  4. johnnydakota's Avatar
    [QUOTE=beckmt;bt8232]Agreed, I would trade Correia for the right prospect. Twins need all the pitching prospects they can get. They also have plenty of AAA options, who might be cheaper and slightly worse than Correia.[/QUOTE]

    That fits in perfectly with Terrys way of doing business.
  5. jorgenswest's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by beckmt
    Agreed, I would trade Correia for the right prospect. Twins need all the pitching prospects they can get. They also have plenty of AAA options, who might be cheaper and slightly worse than Correia.
    I don't think they will get anyone that will look like the right prospect. They will have to find a useful player amidst uninspiring minor league performance like a Ryan Pressly.
  6. johnnydakota's Avatar
    Other trade talks , former Twin Cuddyer may be heading to Pittsburg for Taillon.
    a nice coupe for the Rockies
  7. beckmt's Avatar
    Agreed, I would trade Correia for the right prospect. Twins need all the pitching prospects they can get. They also have plenty of AAA options, who might be cheaper and slightly worse than Correia.
  8. h2oface's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jorgenswest
    Fair enough. Technology is reasonable solution. It certainly would help the Twins. Does it matter that this technology might only be available in the major leagues?
    I don't think so, but I am sure that some will argue about that and the very essence of the change with fervor. Maybe the mound should be raised back to where it was and the DH taken away, and the soft ball returned, and all the other changes that were hard for the non-progressives to take, too? Naaaaaa.
  9. jorgenswest's Avatar
    An argument I should have added, they can trade Correia for the C+ prospect and seek a replacement in free agency. It really is on the shoulders of the scouting department to find that prospect that most others value as C+ but they believe is better.
  10. Brad Swanson's Avatar
    These articles are really great. I appreciate the level of research that is included. I would agree that keeping Correia is probably the way to go, considering the return he would likely demand.
  11. howieramone's Avatar
    Good job! I would keep him after reading your article.
  12. jorgenswest's Avatar
    The Twins non tendered Mijares a few years ago to avoid arbitration. Mijares had a better track record as a relief pitcher than Duensing. I would think Duensing will be nontendered or DFA'd prior to the end of the season.

    On the other hand, they took Butera to arbitration and his performance as a catcher is probably a comp to Duensing's as a reliever.

    They may designate him and use the 10 days to find a trade partner and take any offer.
  13. spycake's Avatar
    I don't think Duensing has been anything special against LHB since 2010, although I don't have his platoon splits broken down by starting/relief, so correct me if I am wrong. It might be why he's not a LOOGY right now. I'm guessing he either stays and re-signs cheaply or is non-tendered.
  14. Otwins's Avatar
    From the looks of the expected return I would keep him. If he starts pitching like he has in the past he is better than anything we would receive. As far as his salary status I would worry about that at year end.
  15. jorgenswest's Avatar
    Fair enough. Technology is reasonable solution. It certainly would help the Twins. Does it matter that this technology might only be available in the major leagues?
  16. h2oface's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jorgenswest
    I don't think it is the arrogance of umpires that impacts the strike zone according to catcher. I think it is a catching skill. Since it is a skill, I appreciate watching catchers that are particularly good at it just as I appreciate watching shortstops good at picking a ball in the hole.
    I am with you on the "art" of catching. The fact is, it is impossible for a human to call the strike zone accurately and consistently, and have any two human umpires call the same zone. The pitch crosses the plate were it does (or doesn't), no matter where the catcher catches or frames the ball. We now have the technology to instantly call the pitch correctly game to game, pitch to pitch, no matter where the stadium is, what the weather, where the sun is, or who delivers the ball. The line of site angle created from looking over the inside shoulder of the catcher is particularly severe for the low part of the zone and the outside of the zone. Heaven help us if it is the perfect pitch on the low and outside corner of the zone. The umpire is just guessing. Always. And now they are exposed as quick as they can call it. (They even miss some of the inside pitches at the belt, right in front of them!) The umpire arrogance comes from standing behind horrible calls with pompous displays. Some say that is the human part of the game. I say it is, and always will be, the ANTI-human part of the game. It is the part that was embraced only because there was no other way to do it until this decade. It is the part that takes the game away from the players...... the humans that deserve to be deciding the game, not the umpire. The players are the human part of the game. The umpires are the anti-human part of the game. The whole "framing" issue is a perfect example of making something it is not, and it is a great example of why to make changes the improve the game, and give it back to the players. The batter deserves the perfect take for a ball, and the pitcher deserves the perfect strike that just cut across the front corner of the plate and ended up 8 inches outside by the time it gets to the catcher's glove. When the human eye no longer is doing the guessing, the game will become more human.
  17. jun's Avatar
    Albers should be called up to take the spot if Diamond gets demoted.
  18. jorgenswest's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by h2oface
    The very fact that we talk about pitch framing, and making something that is not a strike a strike, is a travesty for the game now that we have the technology to take the arrogant umpire's bad calls out of the game, and give the fair game to the players.
    I don't think it is the arrogance of umpires that impacts the strike zone according to catcher. I think it is a catching skill. Since it is a skill, I appreciate watching catchers that are particularly good at it just as I appreciate watching shortstops good at picking a ball in the hole.
  19. h2oface's Avatar
    The very fact that we talk about pitch framing, and making something that is not a strike a strike, is a travesty for the game now that we have the technology to take the arrogant umpire's bad calls out of the game, and give the fair game to the players.
  20. Old Twins Cap's Avatar
    Oh man, you are going to blame Diamond's performance on his catcher? Are you one of his parents or what?
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