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			<title><![CDATA[Let's Discuss Justin Morneau - Again]]></title>
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			<description>On 11-Oct,Seth asked: “When can the Twins compete again?” How you answer that question affects the answer to the question:  What to do with Justin...</description>
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<blockquote class="blogcontent restore"><font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">On 11-Oct,Seth asked: “When can the Twins compete again?” How you answer that question affects the answer to the question:  What to do with Justin Morneau? [Not tomention Josh Willingham.] Or is it the other way around?<br />
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<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">So let’sdiscuss Justin Morneau – again.<br />
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<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">1.    </span></font><font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">Did you support trading Justin Morneau before last season’s trade deadline?</span></font><br />
<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">2.    </span></font><font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">What do you think Morneau’s slash stats will be in 2013 if he plays half ofhis games at Target Field?</span></font><br />
<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">3.    </span></font><font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">What do you think Chris Parmelee’s slash stats will be in 2013 if he playshalf of his games at Target Field as a regular? </span></font><br />
<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">4.    </span></font><font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">What do you do with Parmelee if Morneau is still a Twin?</span></font><br />
<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">5.    </span></font><font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">Do you support trading Morneau this off-season?  What would you expect to get in exchange?</span></font><br />
<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">6.    </span></font><font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">Do you support trading Morneau later – before the next trade deadline?</span></font><br />
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<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">JustinMorneau is what he is – past his prime, injury-prone, relatively expensive at$14M per year in a contract that expires after 2013.  At the same time, he is better than any 1Bavailable in the free agent or trade market.<br />
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<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">And thereare at least 6 teams in the market for a 1B: Baltimore, Boston, San Francisco, Seattle,Tampa Bay, and Texas.  Of course some ofthose matches work only if the Twins are willing to eat some of that $14Mcontract.  And that could be the Twins’secret weapon.  After all, one year’ssavings is likely to go to the Pohlads.<br />
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<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">On 25-Aug,shortly before the waiver trade deadline the Dodgers traded with the BoSox for1B Adrian Gonzalez when their stated preference was Justin Morneau.  In order to get Gonzalez, they had to eat alot of bad contracts and give up Allen Webster and Rubby de la Rosa.  Is that a fair trade or an example ofdeadline frenzy?</span></font><br />
<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial"><a href="http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2012/2613953.html" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff">http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2012/2613953.html</font></a></span></font><br />
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<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">We don’tknow what the Dodgers were offering for Morneau.  Given the bad BoSox contracts eaten, I thinkthe Twins could have turned Justin Morneau + Jamey Carroll + 2 month’s salaryinto Webster and de la Rosa and 1 year’s salary savings.  Does that seem reasonable? Would you have done that?<br />
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<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">In 2012,in his second year coming back from concussion and other injuries, JustinMorneau appeared to be regaining some semblance of his All-Star form in Julyand August – at the trade deadlines.  And then September happened.  No one seems todiscuss Justin’s September.</span></font><br />
<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">Morneau put up the following monthly splits:</span></font><br />
<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial"><div class="cms_table"><table width="288" class="cms_table"><tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl65" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent">Month</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">AB</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">AVG</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">OBP</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">SLG</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">OPS</font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl65" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent">Apr</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">74</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.23</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.313</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.459</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.772</font></TD>
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<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl65" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent">May</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">53</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.264</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.317</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.642</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.959</font></TD>
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<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl65" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent">June</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">95</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.232</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.298</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.316</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.614</font></TD>
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<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl65" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent">July</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">89</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.315</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.365</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.483</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.848</font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl65" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent">Aug</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">105</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.314</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.345</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.505</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl67" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.850</font></font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl65" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent">Sept</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">89</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.236</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.351</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.315</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.666</font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl65" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent">Total</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">505</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.267</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.333</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl67" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.440</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.773</font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl65" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="2">wo</font> June</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">410</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.276</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.349</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.468</font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.817</font></TD>
</tr>
</table></div>
</span></font><br />
<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">I calculated it without June because I thought there might be a special cause -- his wrist injury, IIRC.   <br />
</span></font><br />
<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">These are Morneau’s splits vs RHP/LHP for 2006-2012.</span></font><br />
<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial"><div class="cms_table"><table width="192" class="cms_table"><tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl66" width="64" align="center" style="background-color: transparent">YEAR</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl67" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">vs RHP</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl67" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">vs LHP</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl67" width="64" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000"><br />
Overall</font></font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl68" align="center" style="background-color: transparent">2012</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.902</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.569</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.773</font></font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl68" align="center" style="background-color: transparent">2011</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.729</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl65" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.400</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.618</font></font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl68" align="center" style="background-color: transparent">2010</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">1.113</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.966</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">1.055</font></font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl68" align="center" style="background-color: transparent">2009</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.905</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.836</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.879</font></font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl68" align="center" style="background-color: transparent">2008</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.928</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.777</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.873</font></font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl68" align="center" style="background-color: transparent">2007</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.907</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.694</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.835</font></font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_tr"><TD class="cms_table_xl68" align="center" style="background-color: transparent">2006</TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl69" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.950</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.904</font></font></TD>
<TD class="cms_table_xl66" align="right" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.934</font></font></TD>
</tr>
</table></div>
</span></font><br />
<font color="#222222"><span style="font-family: Arial">These are Morneau’s September splits since 2006.<br />
<br />
<div class="cms_table"><table class="cms_table_outer_border" width="288"><tr valign="top" class="cms_table_outer_border_tr"><TD width="64" align="center" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent">Year</TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">AB</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">AVG</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">OBP</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">SLG</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">OPS</font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_outer_border_tr"><TD width="64" align="center" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent">2006</TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">115</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.348</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.402</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.487</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.889</font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_outer_border_tr"><TD width="64" align="center" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent">2007</TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">93</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.215</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.324</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.333</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.657</font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_outer_border_tr"><TD width="64" align="center" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent">2008</TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">103</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.243</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.298</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.398</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.696</font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_outer_border_tr"><TD width="64" align="center" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent">2009</TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">39</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.077</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.178</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.179</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.357</font></TD>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" class="cms_table_outer_border_tr"><TD width="64" align="center" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent">2012</TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">89</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.236</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.351</font></TD>
<TD width="64" align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3">0.315</font></TD>
<TD align="right" class="cms_table_outer_border_td" style="background-color: transparent"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">0.666</font></font></TD>
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