• Tigers Garcia gives hope for Twins Arcia



    Although there have been many storylines throughout the playoffs, one that may not be getting enough play is that the Detroit Tigers have handed over playing time to 21-year-old Avisail Garcia. Consider: he began this season in the Florida State League and played just 55 games at Double-A Erie. The Tigers called him up to the big leagues on August 31, making him eligible to compete in the post season.

    Garcia has just three hits in 12 at bats this postseason, but he has driven in three pretty important runs. He has one RBI in each of the games against the Yankees.

    He is starting in right field against left-handed pitchers, like Andy Pettitte in Game 1 of the ALCS. With a righty on the mound for the Yankees in Game 2 (Hiroki Kuroda), Quinton Berry got the start, but when the Bombers went to lefty Boone Logan later in the game with the game at hand, Garcia came through with a pinch-hit RBI single.

    There are similarities between Garcia and the Tigers Triple Crown man, Miguel Cabrera. Garcia is listed at 6-4 and 240 pounds. Cabrera is listed at 6-4 and 240 pounds. Their batting stances are very similar as are their mannerisms in the batterís box. Hey, if there is a hitter that a kid from a small town in Venezuela should emulate (on the field only!), it certainly would be Cabrera.

    As I see Garcia playing and contributing to this Tigers playoff run, I canít help but also see similarities between Asivail Garcia and the Twins prospect Oswaldo Arcia. Like Garcia, the 21-year-old Arcia started the season in the Florida State League before moving up to the Eastern League for the seasonís second half. I canít help but wonder, if the Twins had made a playoff run in 2012, would the Twins have considered bringing up Oswaldo Arcia and playing him in October?

    Probably not. The Twins would not have put Arcia in that situation, for a couple of reasons. First, and foremost, the Twins had plenty of outfielders that were playing well. Josh Willingham was in left field. Denard Span in Centerfield. Ben Revere was in right field. Also, Chris Parmelee could have been put in right field as well after crushing AAA pitching all season. Frankly, there were enough other options for the Twins, even in a rotten 2012 season, that Arcia did not need to be rushed.

    Itís different with the Tigers. They have Austin Jackson in centerfield. Andy Dirks has earned every day playing time in the outfield. Quinton Berry had a nice rookie season, but he made a perfect platoon option. Brennan Boesch also hits left-handed, so he wasnít a platoon option. The right-handed hitting Garcia was a good match with Berry. Also, Iím guessing it wasnít a very difficult decision for Tigersí manager Jim Leyland to keep the free-swinging Boesch off of the playoff roster.

    I also donít think it would be fair to say that the Twins would never consider bringing up a young player from the minor leagues in September (or August 31) and playing him in the playoffs. In 2003, Michael Cuddyer got recalled to the Twins for September and was the starting right fielder in the ALDS. He started in place of ďDusty KielmohrĒ (Bobby Kielty and Dustin Mohr) and went 5-13 (.385) with 3 walks in the series against the Aís.

    How does Oswaldo Arcia rank as a prospect compared to Avisail Garcia? When Baseball America came out with its lists of top prospects by league, both players made two lists. In the Florida State League (High-A), Arcia was listed as the #7 prospect while Garcia was #13. In the Eastern League (AA), Arcia ranked #6 while Garcia ranked at #11.

    Here are their 2012 numbers, for comparisonís sake:

    FLORIDA STATE LEAGUE

    Name Team Games BA/OBP/SLG OPS 2B 3B HR
    Oswaldo Arcia Ft. Myers 55 .309/.376/.517 .893 16 3 7
    Avisail Garcia Lakeland 67 .289/.324/.447 .771 8 5 8

    EASTERN LEAGUE
    Name Team Games BA/OBP/SLG OPS 2B 3B HR
    Oswaldo Arcia New Britain 69 .328/.398/.557 .955 20 5 10
    Avisail Garcia Erie 55 .312/.345/.465 .810 9 3 6


    Both players were quality Venezuelan prospects and signed just days apart from each other in July of 2007.

    2008 Ė Arcia played in the Dominican Summer League. Garcia played in the Venezuelan Summer League.

    2009 Ė While Arcia moved up one level at a time, starting in the GCL, the Tigers had Garcia start the 2009 season in the Midwest League, playing for West Michigan. Arcia put together a solid season in the GCL, posting a .792 OPS. Garcia struggled, as you would expect, with a .613 OPS.

    2010 Ė Garcia returned to West Michigan in 2010 and improved slightly as a 19-year-old. He posted a .669 OPS. Meanwhile, Arcia put together his monster season for Elizabethton. It was the year that he hit .375/.424/.672 (1.096 OPS) with 21 doubles, seven triples and 14 home runs.

    2011 Ė Last year, Arcia started the season in Beloit where he hit .352/.420/.704 with 14 extra base hits in April. He had elbow surgery, and when he came back in June, he went right to Ft. Myers where he posted a .763 OPS for the Miracle with 24 extra base hits. Garcia spent all of 2011 with Lakeland, also in the Florida State League, where he posted a .686 OPS with 33 extra base hits.

    2012 Ė Both started the season back in the Florida State League. Arcia posted an .893 OPS in 55 games before moving up to AA New Britain where he was even better (.955 OPS). Garcia posted a .771 OPS with Lakeland in 67 games before moving up to AA Erie where he posted an .810 OPS. Garcia got the promotion to the Tigers still on August 31 and hit .319 for the Tigers in 23 games. He had 15 singles in 47 at bats.

    As Oswaldo Arcia is beginning his Venezuelan Winter League season in Aragua (the hometown of Garcia), Garcia is playing in the ALCS against the Yankees. As I watch Garcia contribute for the Tigers in the playoffs, I canít help but get excited about the Twins future with Oswaldo Arcia (and Aaron Hicks, who ranked #8 in Baseball Americaís Eastern League rankings and is also beginning his season in Venezuela with Margarita Ė where he is 5-14 (.357) to start the season) being a big part of it.
    This article was originally published in blog: Tigers Garcia gives hope for Twins Arcia started by Seth Stohs
    Comments 39 Comments
    1. beckmt's Avatar
      beckmt -
      Just one more reason I have been believing in having one of Hicks, Arcia start in Minnesota next year. It may help them to start in Rochester, but the Twins need to bring in pitching and I do not think that TR will be able to sign or afford more than one FA pitcher, so trading Span and Parmalee for some major league ready arms to a cost concious team (Tampa, Seattle, Oakland, Miami) will be the best way to go.
    1. Mr. Ed's Avatar
      Mr. Ed -
      Also one more reason Arcia/Hicks should have played in MN in September. Especially after Willingham got dinged.

      Of course, the manager would still have preferred a month of his "starters" vs contenders instead. Had to have that big push to avoid 100 losses.
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Ed View Post
      Also one more reason Arcia/Hicks should have played in MN in September. Especially after Willingham got dinged.

      Of course, the manager would still have preferred a month of his "starters" vs contenders instead. Had to have that big push to avoid 100 losses.
      Willingham played his last game on September 24th. Arcia hadn't played baseball for three weeks at that point and may have been at home when it happened. There was no reason to call him back for ~10 days of baseball.
    1. Winston Smith's Avatar
      Winston Smith -
      When do Hicks and Arcia have to be put on the 40 man?
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      No way the Twins bring up AA or A players to the playoffs. This post will just generate all kind of posts about the Twins and their conservative style, deserved or not. They would rather sign and play awful relief pitchers than use their own minor leaguers, we saw that all last year.
    1. Mr. Ed's Avatar
      Mr. Ed -
      Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Ed View Post
      Also one more reason Arcia/Hicks should have played in MN in September. Especially after Willingham got dinged.

      Of course, the manager would still have preferred a month of his "starters" vs contenders instead. Had to have that big push to avoid 100 losses.
      Willingham played his last game on September 24th. Arcia hadn't played baseball for three weeks at that point and may have been at home when it happened. There was no reason to call him back for ~10 days of baseball.
      Right. However, I really believe that both of them should have gotten some action in, as soon as AA was over.
      Given the alleged "surplus" the Twins have, need to know what players they can trade off sooner rather than later.
    1. Mr. Ed's Avatar
      Mr. Ed -
      Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
      When do Hicks and Arcia have to be put on the 40 man?
      Arcia is already on the 40 man.
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Ed View Post
      Right. However, I really believe that both of them should have gotten some action in, as soon as AA was over.
      Given the alleged "surplus" the Twins have, need to know what players they can trade off sooner rather than later.
      I would have liked to see Arcia and Hicks as well but I won't complain too much that they didn't get ~25 ABs apiece in September. There is plenty of time for them to show their talents in ST and the minors early next year. Not a lot was to be gained by bringing them into a crowded outfield situation while the downside is that a crowded outfield situation would have cramped Parmelee's playing time even more. Considering that Parmelee is at the point where more time in the minors will do him little good, I preferred seeing him over Hicks or Arcia. The Twins have plenty of time to gauge what they have in Hicks/Arcia while Parmelee needs playing time right now to see if he's a Major League player.
    1. clutterheart's Avatar
      clutterheart -
      Great article. Arcia's stats are far superior to Garcia with more power. The future is verybright for Arcia
      BTW can we please stop the notion that he can come up and be handed a starting job before we even get to spring? We have no idea how he will fare against MLB pitching.


      No need to rush him
    1. Winston Smith's Avatar
      Winston Smith -
      If Arcia is on the 40 man why was Carson playing in Sept and not Arcia? Carson is a 30 yr old and not our future. Even if only 20 ab's (Carson had 45 in Sept/Oct) he gets the taste of great food, good travel and nice hotels would give him a little boost going into the winter to really "get after it" next year.
      45 wasted ab's on a career minor league player that has no long term future with the team just doesn't make any sense, imo.
    1. Mr. Ed's Avatar
      Mr. Ed -
      Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
      If Arcia is on the 40 man why was Carson playing in Sept and not Arcia? Carson is a 30 yr old and not our future. Even if only 20 ab's (Carson had 45 in Sept/Oct) he gets the taste of great food, good travel and nice hotels would give him a little boost going into the winter to really "get after it" next year.
      45 wasted ab's on a career minor league player that has no long term future with the team just doesn't make any sense, imo.
      Agree completely. I don't mind Matt Carson, but is he really needed, beside to keep Rochester market happy?

      No need to rush him. Eh, I'll disagree. Why so cautious? Find out what a guy can do this fall, rather than start the year with "he'll be in the minors because he has no experience".

      Sano/Kepler/Rosario will probably still be in the minors in 4 years if they stay with the overly cautious plan.

      It's ok to have a few guys younger than 25 play every day in the bigs. It's been done a time or two.
      And yes, I know those 3 will be younger than 25 in 4 years. It's a sarcastic remark for an organization that needs new blood in the higher levels sooner rather than later.
    1. Seth Stohs's Avatar
      Seth Stohs -
      The article should tell Twins fans that the mild success of Avisail Garcia should give them hope for what Arcia and Hicks could be. By prospect rankings, Hicks and Arcia rank higher than Garcia. The situations. There was no reason for the Twins to bring up Hicks or Arcia for September. None.

      The Twins didn't need to evaluate Arcia or Hicks yet in September. They did need to see Parmelee and some of those infielders.

      Arcia and Hicks are already playing in Venezuela. What they do there for 2-3 months will likely mean much more than those 25 at bats they might have seen in September. They'll likely both be Top 100 prospects, go to spring training, get sent down to the minors early in camp, go to Rochester, play there 2-3 months and HOPEFULLY show that they're ready.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      And had they been promoted more aggressively, they could have been in AAA ball already, and we would not hear how they have no experience over AA and are not yet ready. I warned you the thread would develop into this topic.
    1. Mr. Ed's Avatar
      Mr. Ed -
      They'll likely both be Top 100 prospects, go to spring training, get sent down to the minors early in camp, go to Rochester, play there 2-3 months and HOPEFULLY show that they're ready.

      Hope.
      Hope.
      Hope.

      That should be the Twins Motto.

      The Twins HOPE that things work out. If not, by golly, let's see what we can blame it on.
      Injuries to __________(choose an area)
      Guys without enough experience
      Guys they HOPE would work out that didn't.

      Bleh. They HOPE a lot of things come together each year. Why not have some sure things.

      Oh, that's right, the old regime traded a number of those away. Why? Conflicts in personalities, needs in other areas, etc, etc.
      Traded too much away.

      Suffer now and get the kids ready. This team needs to clear a lot of driftwood away.
    1. twinscowboysbulls's Avatar
      twinscowboysbulls -
      It would be very percolating to trade away Span, Willingham and Parmalee and let Arcia, Hicks and Revere roam the TF outfield.

      Would be able to bring in some very valuable pitchers if the Twins were willing to deal those 3 players. At the end of the day, the Twins need to realize we can't win with our current pitchers and moves NEED to be made to improve this team's win/loss total. It would be nice if we could possible trade Span/Morneau for some pitching prospects and keep Parmalee at 1B and Willingham at LF/DH but I'm just not sure we will be able to get enough in return for just those 2.
    1. DAM DC Twins Fans's Avatar
      DAM DC Twins Fans -
      Yes, Twins have few tradeable assets right now. Span/Revere as CF lead-off men and Parmalee. Morneau will bring little (big contract, concussion history, last year of contract).

      So bring Rosario, Arcia, Hicks, and Sano to ML spring training, give them at-bats vs top pitching and see what they show. Send them to Rochester for seasoning unless they prove stars at training camp. Bring them up as they are ready--but give them time in show in 2013 to learn trade and maybe we can contend in 2014. Assuming Span or Revere is traded this winter--come July 2013 we will know whether to trade Willingham, Span or Revere, Plouffe, etc. to get some pitching here--assuming the 4 kids will play in 2014.
    1. Seth Stohs's Avatar
      Seth Stohs -
      Mr Ed, would those 20-25 at bats given any more hope (or less) than them not playing? I mean, Parmelee was great last September. Benson was pretty solid in September. And they got 80 at bats...

      I guess I just look at the Royals and say... was rushing prospects the right thing to do? Hosmer, Moustakus, Hochevar, Giovetella, Dyson, Cain, all those starting pitchers... is it worth rushing?

      By the way, Wil Myers was the Minor league player of the year and split time between AA and AAA, and the Royals didn't call him up. Does that make him less of a prospect or hurt his future? Not at all. Oh, and don't forget that he spent all of 2011 in AA and started 2012 there too!! Yikes!!
    1. mlhouse's Avatar
      mlhouse -
      The station by station approach that the Twins use hurts them in two ways:

      1. It reduces the trade value of their minor league players. Not that the Twins would ever consider making a trade that would trade a high level minor league players, but several years ago when they had playoff level teams they could have looked to make a deal of minor league players for established veteran players. Because we hold our players back, we don't get much "age premium" in valuation. To see how this works, look at the Santana trade with the Mets. The minor league players we got from the Mets were vastly overrated, and the reason why was that players like Delois Guerra were pitching at levels 1-3 higher than they would have been in the Twins organization. "His stats aren't spectacular, but he is a 18 year old pitching in A+ ball"...................

      2. The station by station approach shortens the development window of the players. IF a star minor league prospect gets to the major leagues at 24 years of age (lets say Chris Parmalee) their career windows are much shortened. IF they struggle at first (lets say Chris Parmalee) sending them down is a valid option, but that takes more time off the clock. Suddenly, the player is 26-27 years old with limited major league experience, and the clock has run out. If you get the player up when they are 21-22 years old they still have time to work the major league kinks out.
    1. YourHouseIsMyHouse's Avatar
      YourHouseIsMyHouse -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Ed View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
      When do Hicks and Arcia have to be put on the 40 man?
      Arcia is already on the 40 man.
      Hicks has to before November 20th. Otherwise he's up for selection in the rule V draft.
    1. Mr. Ed's Avatar
      Mr. Ed -
      Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
      Mr Ed, would those 20-25 at bats given any more hope (or less) than them not playing? I mean, Parmelee was great last September. Benson was pretty solid in September. And they got 80 at bats...

      I guess I just look at the Royals and say... was rushing prospects the right thing to do? Hosmer, Moustakus, Hochevar, Giovetella, Dyson, Cain, all those starting pitchers... is it worth rushing?

      By the way, Wil Myers was the Minor league player of the year and split time between AA and AAA, and the Royals didn't call him up. Does that make him less of a prospect or hurt his future? Not at all. Oh, and don't forget that he spent all of 2011 in AA and started 2012 there too!! Yikes!!
      We'll never know on the Twins' guys, unfortunately. Can't find out what kids have until you play them.

      KC? They develop top flight talent about as well as the Twins, which is why they're neighbors in the lower levels of the division.

      mlhouse makes some very good points. Twins, like anyone else,make good/bad decisions on moving players/assessing players.
      They seem overly cautious, and for what? Let a guy fizzle out/get stagnant in AA/AAA, vs an opp in the bigs where hope springs eternal.
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