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    Most every hardcore Twins fan is well aware of the Puerto Rican 18-year-old we picked up in last June's draft (Jose Orlando Berrios! for the rest of you). After dominating both rookie levels in 2012, this kid is screaming fast-track potential. Where can we expect this guy to finish the 2013 season?



    J.O. is what they are gonna call him. And he should certainly get to pick his nickname after averaging 14.4 K's/9 innings as a minor-league-rookie.
    That is ridiculous, and 2013 will show if he can keep those numbers up as a starting pitcher. He pitched 30.2 innings with 49 K's in 2012, and opponents hit .140. Holy moly!

    This guy is only 6-foot-nothing, a-hundred-eighty-nothing (short and scrawny). But he generates tremendous force behind his pitches. Before the draft, the numbers and reports the Twins had on him were this: 90-93 fastball with 3/4 arm slot creating tail...78 on the slurve with hard break down and away from RHH...79 on the Change-up with heavy action in to a RHH. He was praised for his command of the off-speed stuff, especially the change-up.

    After checking out a few videos on youtube, I see that this kid really has an electric fastball. A low 90's fastball isn't all that impressive by itself. But J.O. has a very deliberate motion toward the plate and hides the ball extremely well, making that low 90's heat feel like mid 90's to the hitter. His breaking ball is "as advertised" and shall be an out pitch for the talented right-hander. The change-up looks like filth to me, and should prove to keep many pro-hitters from guessing on the fastball.

    So the real question now is this: Will the organization fast-track this kid in 2013, and allow him to move multiple levels? I am sure his performance will determine this, but the guy will only be 19. So, perhaps the organization will play it safe and limit his innings and appearances? Berrios has been described as physically mature beyond his age (whatever that means), so maybe he gets a heavier workload than someone else his age.



    I predict: Berrios shows how his hard working attitude can produce crazy good numbers. Reports from the end of last summer had him hitting 94-96 on the gun, so he's got serious MLB potential. He may start in Elizabethton, but I see him definitely playing A ball before the season ends. If it was up to me, I would start him in Cedar Rapids and play it by ear from there. He is oh-so-ready for the low-A level, and you know it.

    Please leave your opinion on Berrios below. Thanks!
    This article was originally published in blog: Pickin' Berrios started by mnfanforlife
    Comments 110 Comments
    1. mnfanforlife's Avatar
      mnfanforlife -
      Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
      > If it was up to me, I would start him in Cedar Rapids and play it by ear from there.

      Get ready for more Cedar Rapids Kernels puns this upcoming season!
      HAHA! Corny..
    1. 70charger's Avatar
      70charger -
      Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
      > If it was up to me, I would start him in Cedar Rapids and play it by ear from there.

      Get ready for more Cedar Rapids Kernels puns this upcoming season!
      The puns will be knee-high by July.
    1. mnfanforlife's Avatar
      mnfanforlife -
      Quote Originally Posted by Brad Swanson View Post
      Oh, for what it's worth, Jason Parks of Baseball Prospectus says he pitches with serious #rig.
      Could you clarify what you're talking about here? (#rig)
    1. mnfanforlife's Avatar
      mnfanforlife -
      Quote Originally Posted by Brad Swanson View Post
      If he is in the Majors in 2014, he'll be 21 years old. I am excited about what he did last year too, but I think that is pushing it a lot. If he is in AA by 2014, I'll be more than happy with that.

      I'd be very surprised if he made it to Ft. Myers in 2013. There just isn't a reason to push him that quickly. The only way it happens is if he is so completely dominant that they can't hold him back any longer.
      Dont you think that our need at Starting Pitcher would be a good reason to fast track Berrios in 2013?
    1. kab21's Avatar
      kab21 -
      Need should not dictate lower level promotions. He should be promoted when he is ready.
    1. mnfanforlife's Avatar
      mnfanforlife -
      Quote Originally Posted by kab21 View Post
      Need should not dictate lower level promotions. He should be promoted when he is ready.
      Are you suggesting that he is not ready to be promoted past rookie ball? What level do you think Berrios is "ready" for? What constitutes being "ready" in your opinion? If you use statistics to measure "readiness", than where would Berrios' stats place him next year, in your opinion?
    1. beckmt's Avatar
      beckmt -
      I would start him in Ft. Myers and if he excels promote him to New Britian.
    1. PseudoSABR's Avatar
      PseudoSABR -
      No reason to hurry this guy. New Britain next year seems like a total reach.
    1. Brad Swanson's Avatar
      Brad Swanson -
      Quote Originally Posted by PseudoSABR View Post
      No reason to hurry this guy. New Britain next year seems like a total reach.
      With you, in fact, New Britain in two seasons is a reach. Player development not player acceleration. What's the rush?
    1. Physics Guy's Avatar
      Physics Guy -
      He should start in Cedar Rapids. If he earns it, he will be promoted to Ft. Myers mid-season. That gives him a shot at New Britain sometime the following season. We'll be lucky if he gets a cup of coffee at Target Field by 2015.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      Right, he's 3-4 years out, minimum. Agreed.
    1. Shane Wahl's Avatar
      Shane Wahl -
      Quote Originally Posted by Madre Dos View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by mnfanforlife View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Madre Dos View Post
      Jose stayed in my home while in Elizabethton. He is polite and easy to get along with. He doesn't eat shrimp and he really likes cookie and cream ice cream. (two very important things for a host mom to know!) Good luck Jose!! You will go far.
      Cool inside information about our best pitching prospect! Thank you for sharing! Do you know if Jose is coming back to live with you next summer?
      I don't know. I'm going to spring training in March ( i still have about 30 "baseball sons" in the organization). I try to get all of them out to dinner. We have to work around English lessons! I usually have a list of 13 or so that want to stay here if they come to Elizabethton. I find out about 4 or 5 days before they get on the bus in fort myers who is going to be here.
      There really ought to a story written about you and the other host families for these guys.
    1. ThePuck's Avatar
      ThePuck -
      why are so many fans completely content to say a pitcher drafted as high as Berrios was will take 4 or more years in the minors to make it to the show? If he's as awesome as so many claim, why take that long?
    1. PseudoSABR's Avatar
      PseudoSABR -
      Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
      If he's as awesome as so many claim, why take that long?
      The potential for awesomeness doesn't equate to immediate awesomeness.
    1. kab21's Avatar
      kab21 -
      Quote Originally Posted by mnfanforlife View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by kab21 View Post
      Need should not dictate lower level promotions. He should be promoted when he is ready.
      Are you suggesting that he is not ready to be promoted past rookie ball? What level do you think Berrios is "ready" for? What constitutes being "ready" in your opinion? If you use statistics to measure "readiness", than where would Berrios' stats place him next year, in your opinion?
      He's absolutely ready for Cedar Rapids. I'm disagreeing with the general notion that he needs to be fast tracked because the Twins have a need at pitcher. Many in this thread are suggesting that he should get to Ft Myers next season and start 2014 in NB. Perhaps that could happen but let's see what he does in full season ball before we start promoting him beyond Cedar Rapids.
    1. mnfanforlife's Avatar
      mnfanforlife -
      Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
      why are so many fans completely content to say a pitcher drafted as high as Berrios was will take 4 or more years in the minors to make it to the show? If he's as awesome as so many claim, why take that long?
      Realistically: he should start 2013 in low-A, finish 2013 in A+, then start 2014 in A+ with a shot to finish in AA or higher.
    1. jtrinaldi's Avatar
      jtrinaldi -
      Berrios will be in CR around May
      Buxton in June
      Kepler/Goodrum to start
    1. Top Gun's Avatar
      Top Gun -
      The Twins are considering Kyle Gibson for their Opening Day rotation.

      Gibson is almost fully recovered from Tommy John surgery and finished with 75 innings between the regular season and Arizona Fall League. With only Scott Diamond returning to next year's rotation, there's little upside for the Twins to stash him if he's still healthy in spring training. Earlier this offseason, GM Terry Ryan said he expects Gibson to be limited to 140 innings in 2013.


      Source: ESPN 1500 Twin Citie
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      I will not speak for others, but I am posting what I think is likely to happen, not what I would do.
    1. ThePuck's Avatar
      ThePuck -
      Quote Originally Posted by mnfanforlife View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
      why are so many fans completely content to say a pitcher drafted as high as Berrios was will take 4 or more years in the minors to make it to the show? If he's as awesome as so many claim, why take that long?
      Realistically: he should start 2013 in low-A, finish 2013 in A+, then start 2014 in A+ with a shot to finish in AA or higher.
      That didn't really answer my question...
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