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    On Tuesday, the Minnesota Twins announced the additions of eight players to their 40 man roster. This protects those players from being selected in the December 6 Rule 5 draft. They added pitchers Kyle Gibson, Caleb Thielbar, BJ Hermsen, Tim Wood and Michael Tonkin, along with catcher Josmil Pinto, infielder Danny Santana and outfielder Aaron Hicks.

    Aaron Hicks and Kyle Gibson were considered absolutes, the givens, to be added.
    Aaron Hicks, the Twins 2008 first round pick out high school in California, put together a terrific 2012 campaign at AA New Britain. He filled the stat sheet quite well. Overall, he hit .286/.384/.460 with 21 doubles, 11 triples, 13 home runs, 61 RBI, 100 runs scored and 32 stolen bases. There has never been any question about his defense. He has terrific range and speed and a very strong arm. In other words, he could be a future centerfielder, but he also has a typical right fielderís arm.

    Kyle Gibson was the Twins top pick in the 2009 draft out of the University of Missouri. His career began in 2010, and he raced up the Twins system. He made seven starts at Ft. Myers, 16 starts at New Britain and finished the season with three starts in Rochester. Overall, he went 11-6 with a 2.96 ERA in 26 starts. In 152 innings, he walked 39 and struckout 126. He began the 2011 season quite well. He was among the Top Twins minor league pitchers during the first two months of the season, but then he really struggled. He was hurt, and in September, he had Tommy John surgery. Gibson followed a plan and was able to return to the mound. First, he pitched nine games (14.2 innings) in the Gulf Coast League. Then he made two starts for Ft. Myers before ending the season with two starts for Rochester. He just completed his final outing in the Arizona Fall League where he showed increased velocity and sink on his pitches. He appears to be quite close.

    Beyond those two, I think there were several who likely had to be considered. I thought Santana, Tonkin and Hermsen would be added, and they were, but three surprise names were added as well.

    Danny Santana just turned 22 years old. He hit .286/.329/.410 (.739) with 21 doubles, 9 triples and 8 home runs in his first season in Ft. Myers. He drove in 60 runs and scored 70 runs. He stole 17 bases. He is a prototypical shortstop, not real big, great speed and a big arm.

    BJ Hermsen was the Twins minor league pitcher of the year in 2012 when he combined to go 12-6 with a 2.88 ERA and a 1.17 WHIP. In 26 starts and 162.2 innings, he gave up 161 hits, walked 30 and struck out 87.

    Michael Tonkin will turn 23 next week. He was the 30th round pick in 2008 and is Jason Kubelís brother-in-law. Began at Beloit and went 3-0 with 6 saves, an ERA of 1.38 and a WHIP of 0.97. After MWL All-Star game, promoted to Ft. Myers. Went 1-1 with 6 saves, a 2.97 ERA and a 1.15 WHIP. Overall, in 69.1 innings, he gave up just 53 hits, walked 20 and struckout 97.

    Caleb Thielbar came to the Twins in August of 2011 from the St. Paul Saints. He took advantage of the opportunity. The lefty started this season in Ft. Myers, quickly moved up to New Britain and then quickly advanced to Rochester. His delivery is interesting and he pitches a lot like Glen Perkins (just in the low-90s instead of the mid-90s).

    Tim Wood just came to the Twins a few weeks ago as a minor league free agent. The Twins must believe that someone would have selected the hard-thrower in the Rule 5 draft as they did protect him. He was the International League Relief Pitcher of the Year last year, for what thatís worth.

    Josmil Pinto had a very nice season last year in Ft. Myers. He ended by playing a handful of games in New Britain. He is a catcher who has thrown out a good percentage of would-be base stealers, but he is on this list for his bat.

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    Bruce Pugh is probably the biggest surprise omission from the list. Had he been healthy this year, Adrian Salcedo would have been a given to protect.

    What are your thoughts? The Twins now have a full, 40 man roster. These eight players need to remain on the 40 man roster until spring training, so if and when the Twins add some free agents, or make some trades, they may have to drop some others that are on the roster.

    Being honest, I am more than a little shocked at the number of players that the Twins chose to add to the 40 man roster, and I canít necessarily say that as a positive thing. It may be good. We will see next year if Tim Wood can finally figure things out, and if Thielbar has a chance. The Twins now have five catchers on their 40 man roster. That said, the five players that I thought the Twins were most likely to add were added, and thatís important.
    This article was originally published in blog: Gibson, Hicks among 8 players added to Twins 40 man roster started by Seth Stohs
    Comments 48 Comments
    1. YourHouseIsMyHouse's Avatar
      YourHouseIsMyHouse -
      For Slama's sake I hope he gets picked in the rule V......anyone except the White Sox is fine.
    1. greengoblinrulz's Avatar
      greengoblinrulz -
      Quote Originally Posted by maxisagod View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Rosterman View Post
      Five other guys: Butera, Swarzak both in arbitration. Tom Field is a so-so. Lester Oliveros is injured and out for most of 2013. Deolis Guerra could be gone. You could argue the need to keep Benson around. Is Mastro a real keeper? Hermann cold be outrighted. Sometimes it is easier to get guys thru once the Rule 5 happens and rosters fill up.
      Butera, Field easily moved. Swarzak isn't arb eligible so they'll definitely keep him. He would also be lost. Oliveros will be out for all of 2013, but that makes him an easy pick in the Rule 5 because the other team can keep him all next year on their DL and then bring him back the following year. Guerra could possibly sneak through. Mastroianni maybe could sneak through, but he's an ideal 4th OF, so I'd keep him. Herrmann would be claimed by a bunch of teams.
      Oliveros would be the 1st player the twins would remove if they sign someone. If he's out most of 2013, then the rule five rules would apply in 2014 as well.
      If you can hold out on Oliveras till the season starts, he immediately goes to 60 day DL.
      Butera, Guerra, Field, Swarzak, Burnett could be possibilites IMO. No shot on Benson, Mastro, Hermann.
    1. h2oface's Avatar
      h2oface -
      for many of these guys.............. IF they are (would have been) chosen......... the odds of them staying on any teams' active roster is so minute, that it really doesn't matter if they are on the twins' 40 man. plus, the original team comes out 25K to the good. do they have to go through waivers when returned if you don't want them on your active roster? what is the harm of not protecting those that are in A ball or AA ball? you would get them back anyway. and probably sooner than later. thanks in advance for the clarifications.
    1. Jeremy Nygaard's Avatar
      Jeremy Nygaard -
      Quote Originally Posted by h2oface View Post
      for many of these guys.............. IF they arem (would have been) chosen......... the odds of them staying on any teams' active roster is so minute, that it really doesn't matter if they are on the twins' 40 man. plus, the original team comes out 25K to the good. do they have to go through waivers? what is the harm of not protecting those that are in A ball or AA ball? you would get them back anyway. and probably sooner than later.
      Agreed. The part that irritates me is that they add eight guys, six of which have ceilings as replacement-level guys, yet don't add Salcedo who still has potential to be at least a mid-rotation starter.

      I wouldn't have added Salcedo myself, but there's no way I add eight guys before him.
    1. clutterheart's Avatar
      clutterheart -
      Last time I checked, Pugh is doing well in Winterball. I would expect someone makes a claim on him in the Rule V but would be surprised if the Twins lost him as I doubt he could stick the whole year on the 25 man roster.

      I am surprised Santana is on the 40 man. If this was the plan, why wouldn't they have called him up to AA sometime last year? I doubt he would make it the whole year on a 25 man roster and probably would've stayed with the team through the Rule V draft.
    1. Seth Stohs's Avatar
      Seth Stohs -
      Quote Originally Posted by YourHouseIsMyHouse View Post
      For Slama's sake I hope he gets picked in the rule V......anyone except the White Sox is fine.
      Just a correction... It's the Rule 5 draft, not the Rule V draft...

      Anyway, I like Anthony and I sincerely hope for him that he does get selected. But teams have had opportunities to pick him up and haven't. I'd be shocked if he was taken now. In part because the last few years only about 10-12 players get drafted in the Rule 5, few stick, and they're generally younger.
    1. Seth Stohs's Avatar
      Seth Stohs -
      Quote Originally Posted by h2oface View Post
      for many of these guys.............. IF they arem (would have been) chosen......... the odds of them staying on any teams' active roster is so minute, that it really doesn't matter if they are on the twins' 40 man. plus, the original team comes out 25K to the good. do they have to go through waivers when returned if you don't want them on your active roster? what is the harm of not protecting those that are in A ball or AA ball? you would get them back anyway. and probably sooner than later. thanks in advance for the clarifications.
      Honestly, the Twins wouldn't put someone on the 40 man roster that they don't think would be taken in the Rule 5. In other words, they must feel that the likelihood of these guys being selected was worth adding them. Hicks and Gibson are the types of talents that people would take and probably play. It's not hard to 'hide' a 12th or 13th pitcher, so someone like Tonkin would certainly be in play, and Thielbar is left-handed with some good, intriguing stuff who pitched alright in AAA. Left-handed and breathing. Twins showed last year that it's not hard to hide a 3rd catcher, even when they went with 13 pitchers. And Pinto would be a pinch-hitting type. He may have been taken. I'm surprised by the Wood inclusion, but again, 29 and throws hard, so he easily could be hidden. Santana is a true, natural shortstop with great speed and athleticism. Not many of those out there, so I'm sure this was a pretty easy choice for the team to keep him. He'd be stashed as a 2nd utility infielder who mainly pinch-runs.

      Don't get me wrong... I was very surprised by Pinto, Thielbar and Wood. To be honest, I"m almost a little surprised by Hermsen, but I can certainly understand the case for each.
    1. Seth Stohs's Avatar
      Seth Stohs -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Nygaard View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by h2oface View Post
      for many of these guys.............. IF they arem (would have been) chosen......... the odds of them staying on any teams' active roster is so minute, that it really doesn't matter if they are on the twins' 40 man. plus, the original team comes out 25K to the good. do they have to go through waivers? what is the harm of not protecting those that are in A ball or AA ball? you would get them back anyway. and probably sooner than later.
      Agreed. The part that irritates me is that they add eight guys, six of which have ceilings as replacement-level guys, yet don't add Salcedo who still has potential to be at least a mid-rotation starter.

      I wouldn't have added Salcedo myself, but there's no way I add eight guys before him.
      I wouldn't have added 8 either, I don't think, but like I said above, I can see the case. Salcedo was so hurt last year that no one would take him this offseason and be able to keep him on the big league roster, and my assumptino is that he will be too healthy next year to just throw on the DL. So, he's an easy choice to not add whereas a guy like Thielbar or Wood could be selected and would have no problem sticking on the big league roster of a team that has an open spot, or a bad team just trying to add pieces.
    1. h2oface's Avatar
      h2oface -
      i just don't see the "hide/stash" scenario anymore. this is a new era in baseball. the old school mentality is proving to no longer work. oakland and san fran and tampa.......... they are examples. with stacking 12 pitchers, and 9 position players, and 4 bench, or however one divides the 25 man roster.......... with starting pitchers only being able to go (or allowed to go) 100 pitches, and many doing that by the 5th..... and then those guys that are hurt but not honest, and the team doesn't put them on the DL right away (sound familiar), the team is thinner yet. the national league teams have to use more pinch hitters. the twins were just about as horrible as it can get, and they wouldn't have brought up any of the guys in question, and i don't know how the twins could have possibly hidden anybody all year and taken up that precious roster spot. i see guys like butera as exposed, and not hidden. kinda like constantly having to have a pitcher come to bat. so exposed, not hidden. but again, i don't really think it matters to protect them, as they would come back. this group of 40 are the ones that ryan must see as the twins immediate future, and because he is still in the era past, this is how he believes he needs to play it. so this is what we see. ryan's vision of the team his is building for its fans. perhaps he is making sure he has the chips he is working on trades with? too hopeful? the gems in the draft might be those that were hurt, and not protected, that are actually ready to get the shot if they rehab to the same or better level.

      slama seems to be the perfect pick for a reliever. ready as can be, just untested. i sense his freedom is near.
    1. Cody Christie's Avatar
      Cody Christie -
      I hope Slama is given an opportunity with someone. He seems like a decent guy and he deserves another shot in the big leagues.
    1. tellis205's Avatar
      tellis205 -
      Dave St. Peter was on Syd and Dave's show on Sunday and made the comment
      "I wouldn't be surprised if we make a couple deals during the Winter Meetings coming up". So let's wait a few weeks and see what happens.
    1. Kwak's Avatar
      Kwak -
      Quote Originally Posted by tellis205 View Post
      Dave St. Peter was on Syd and Dave's show on Sunday and made the comment
      "I wouldn't be surprised if we make a couple deals during the Winter Meetings coming up". So let's wait a few weeks and see what happens.
      If the Twins don't make any deals as a result of the Winter meetings there will outrage across the tundra. The Twins may continue to deal through Spring Training but they have to be able to show something by a couple days after the Winter meetings close.
    1. MrHockey's Avatar
      MrHockey -
      Quote Originally Posted by SweetOne69 View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by SirLoin View Post
      I have to imagine it's almost a lock that Anthony Slama gets taken in the Rule 5 draft. There has to be a team like the Royals or Astros that would be more than willing to give him a shot for an entire season.
      I agree that there is some team willing to give Slama a shot, especially after his performance last year.
      I believe he was eligible in 2011 for the Rule 5 Draft but was not chosen. My guess is that he must have spit (or is it spat) sunflower seeds at Gardy at some point in his career.
    1. Jeremy Nygaard's Avatar
      Jeremy Nygaard -
      Quote Originally Posted by MrHockey View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by SweetOne69 View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by SirLoin View Post
      I have to imagine it's almost a lock that Anthony Slama gets taken in the Rule 5 draft. There has to be a team like the Royals or Astros that would be more than willing to give him a shot for an entire season.
      I agree that there is some team willing to give Slama a shot, especially after his performance last year.
      I believe he was eligible in 2011 for the Rule 5 Draft but was not chosen. My guess is that he must have spit (or is it spat) sunflower seeds at Gardy at some point in his career.
      He wasn't expected to get drafted in the Rule 5 draft last year because he was outrighted off the roster in October and went unclaimed. If anyone at all wanted him, they could have had him for free. A month and a half later no team was going to cough up $50K and a major league roster spot.
    1. Jeremy Nygaard's Avatar
      Jeremy Nygaard -
      Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Nygaard View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by h2oface View Post
      for many of these guys.............. IF they arem (would have been) chosen......... the odds of them staying on any teams' active roster is so minute, that it really doesn't matter if they are on the twins' 40 man. plus, the original team comes out 25K to the good. do they have to go through waivers? what is the harm of not protecting those that are in A ball or AA ball? you would get them back anyway. and probably sooner than later.
      Agreed. The part that irritates me is that they add eight guys, six of which have ceilings as replacement-level guys, yet don't add Salcedo who still has potential to be at least a mid-rotation starter.

      I wouldn't have added Salcedo myself, but there's no way I add eight guys before him.
      I wouldn't have added 8 either, I don't think, but like I said above, I can see the case. Salcedo was so hurt last year that no one would take him this offseason and be able to keep him on the big league roster, and my assumptino is that he will be too healthy next year to just throw on the DL. So, he's an easy choice to not add whereas a guy like Thielbar or Wood could be selected and would have no problem sticking on the big league roster of a team that has an open spot, or a bad team just trying to add pieces.
      BA released their first Rule 5 draft preview today.

      There were no Twins included in the list of 10 guys that could hear their named called. There were also no Twins included (surprisingly?) in the five names that fell into the "They were protected?" category.

      The Tigers apparently added a SS that batted .195 in high-class A last year. (Maybe they feared the Twins would take him?)
    1. ThePuck's Avatar
      ThePuck -
      Players who were signed when they were 19 or older and have played in professional baseball for four years are eligible, as are players who were signed at 18 and have played for five years.
    1. Rosterman's Avatar
      Rosterman -
      Be interesting to see what players Miami and Houston might grab. Sometimes you can find a gem, like Slama, as a team's 41st player.

      Could someone explain the rules to the minor league portion of the draft?

      And, yes, fewer and fewer teams can "stash"a player. I think the Twins may have wished that they had stashed Terry Doyle last season, though.
    1. Jeremy Nygaard's Avatar
      Jeremy Nygaard -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rosterman View Post
      Could someone explain the rules to the minor league portion of the draft?
      In addition to the 40-man roster, teams have a AAA and AA reserve list. These lists aren't public knowledge, so it's hard to know who will be available and who won't be... but if you're not on the reserve lists, you're available to be selected.
    1. Seth Stohs's Avatar
      Seth Stohs -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Nygaard View Post
      The Tigers apparently added a SS that batted .195 in high-class A last year. (Maybe they feared the Twins would take him?)

      Dixon Machado. I saw him last year in Beloit, playing for West Michigan. He made me stop doing anything to watch him take infield at shortstop. Unbelievably smooth glove. He was their ninth hitter last year, and I"m sure he was again. Again, I don't know that I would have protected him, but there are so few pure shortstops that when teams find them, they protect them.
    1. Seth Stohs's Avatar
      Seth Stohs -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Nygaard View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Rosterman View Post
      Could someone explain the rules to the minor league portion of the draft?
      In addition to the 40-man roster, teams have a AAA and AA reserve list. These lists aren't public knowledge, so it's hard to know who will be available and who won't be... but if you're not on the reserve lists, you're available to be selected.
      Yeah, we can assume that guys like Pugh and Salcedo will be on the AAA reserve list. Guys who will be eligible for next year's big league Rule 5 (Wimmers, Roberts) would need to be on the AAA reserve list this year. A player who needs to be added to the big league 40 man in two years (Michael, etc.) would need to be on the AA reserve list this year.
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