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    After a session with the team’s brass, Twins manager Ron Gardenhire emerged from their war room (war not WAR) at the Nashville hotel and, following the trade of Denard Span, told the MLB Network that they were “trading my whole damn team.”

    While it could be just a tongue-in-cheek response from the manager who is known to add some snark, because of the team’s current status of a bottom-dwelling squad without a rotation the Twins should really consider it.

    The front office has been extremely vocal about not trading Josh Willingham unless they were blown away with an offer and there has not been much discussion about moving Justin Morneau this winter. There is one unlikely Twins player who may have value at the winter meetings who the front office could consider moving and that is Ben Revere.

    If Revere is able to be packaged in a deal that could fetch a decent rotation arm the Twins should consider taking it. Both the Tampa Bay Rays and the Atlanta Braves are in need of a starting center fielder and Revere’s youth and cost control may be appealing enough to pry one of their surplus arms.

    Revere, 24, will enter his third season at the major league level. Last year, the speedy outfielder developed into a high-average hitter with well above-average defensive chops when it came to covering ground and making acrobatic catches.

    Meanwhile, on the bases, Revere swiped 40 bases -- succeeding in his kleptomania 82% of the time -- and, by Fangraphs.com’s accounting system, was the seventh-highest valued base-runner in the game. Baseball-Reference.com’s warehouse said that his legs added five runs to the Twins’ ledger in 2012 (tied for fourth highest in MLB) which equates to roughly a half a win.

    Given that he’s just beginning to adapt to the world’s best competition, the expectation is that he will continue to improve. After all, with his speed, he’s guaranteed to accumulate hits like Flo Rida. However, there are several areas in which he has been deficient and that is his ability to compile walks and hit for power.

    In addition outstanding speed and bat control - which Revere has displayed - premium leadoff hitters are adept at increasing pitch counts and coaxing walks. While he produced terrific numbers through his minor league career, Revere’s walk rate was below 7%, relying on batted balls to find seams in the defense to buoy his on-base percentage. Similarly, Revere’s power drought has been one nearing historic proportions and given how he puts the ball in play (mostly grounders), the odds are strong that he usurps Greg Gross for most plate appearances without a home run.

    These are two aspects of his game which are unlikely to change. Sure, his high average, high range and high speed talents may help cover up those shortcomings sufficiently but there is also indications that he is not in the Twins’ plan beyond 2013.

    If the Twins trade Revere, the duty of center field would like fall to Aaron Hicks - a five-tool prospect who has yet to see time above Double-A. While a level jump without touching Triple-A is less than ideal, Revere made the leap from New Britain in September 2010 and worked his way into the Twins lineup without sampling much time in Rochester. Hicks, 23, was drafted one year after Revere and will have the same amount of development time as Revere when he was forced into semi-regular duty in 2011.

    Like Revere, Hicks has buckets of speed on the bases and in the field. Unlike Revere, Hicks has a howitzer for an arm. Last year, he recorded 10 outfield assists with New Britain. Revere had 18 throughout his entire six-year minor league experience. With the massive real estate in right-center field, the field staff knows they need someone with a legit arm.

    Hicks also possess other tools at the plate that makes him a superior leadoff choice than Revere. A switch-hitter, Hicks has monk-like patience at the plate, registering a walk in almost 15% of his plate appearances. What’s more is that he has the occasional pop, able to gain multiple bases on a single swing of the bat.

    From a development process perspective, allowing Hicks an additional year to hone his craft at Rochester while keeping his arbitration clock from starting would be the most desired scenario. By all accounts, Revere is a hard-worker with three strong skills. Still, the Twins need starting pitching beyond just this season and Hicks can certainly learn on the job. If trading Revere would bring back a cost-controlled starter, the organization needs to seriously consider pulling the trigger.
    This article was originally published in blog: Could the Twins still trade Ben Revere? started by Parker Hageman
    Comments 51 Comments
    1. Cris E's Avatar
      Cris E -
      I think this is Marosi reacting to the crazy CF market, not Ryan making calls. MIN needs a rangy CF to cover for the performance art in LF and RF, where Willingham and Parmalee will be making folks pine for the days of Delmon in the corner.

      But if you insist on getting out of the box, I believe the ridiculous cost of young pitching makes a move for a decent young middle infielder a good idea. The Twins don't have good prospects anywhere near ready, not like they do in the outfield, and converting from a position of depth would make good sense. Moving Revere now is earlier than anyone would prefer, but it's going to be the right move at some point.
    1. ashburyjohn's Avatar
      ashburyjohn -
      Quote Originally Posted by jay View Post
      Angels are the first to mind with Vernon Wells. They'd have a nice outfield of Trout and Trumbo with Bourjos (R) and Revere (L) and the salary savings would let them get another SP. We could easily ask for a pair of nice prospects in return.Crazy?
      As others have responded, the outside-the-box thinking is great. Wells's contract is exactly the right length, ending before the 2015 season, but unfortunately he is too decrepit to play CF (I never liked him there in the first place) and his preferred position of LF is exactly where we aren't looking at the moment. And unfortunately I don't believe Willingham is going to fetch a good prospect at this time, not to mention that Wells would be such a serious downgrade at the position in terms of offense.

      Alfonso Soriano is eerily similar to Wells (2B is not an option, LF only) except he might be still worthwhile on offense for two more years. A three-team trade where the Twins get Soriano from the Cubs and a stud prospect from Team C plus some other assorted youngsters, and give up both Revere and Willingham to be distributed between Cubs and Team C, might work?

      But taking on huge salary negates the other type of plan that could involve trading Revere: signing someone for 2013-14 to let Hicks take his sweet time to develop rather than force feed him and pay arbitration a year or two too soon.

      A trade that takes on salary 2013-14 would prove that the Twins timetable is 2015 and not 2014. Maybe for PR reasons they can't do that. Or, if Ryan is actually hedging his bets toward 2014 being good, then such a trade won't happen - he'll want budget flexibility to sign someone at a position of need that year, not an untradeable $18M albatross.
    1. cmathewson's Avatar
      cmathewson -
      Revere's stock is at it's zenith. He will not get more valuable than he is right now. Hicks will be as good, all things considered, in 2013 and much better in 2014. I wouldn't worry about starting his arbitration clock, with Buxton's projected time of arrival at 2016.
    1. AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS's Avatar
      AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS -
      Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
      Revere's stock is at it's zenith. He will not get more valuable than he is right now. Hicks will be as good, all things considered, in 2013 and much better in 2014. I wouldn't worry about starting his arbitration clock, with Buxton's projected time of arrival at 2016.
      As much as i like Revere i think youre right. We need pitching prospects and I think Revere can get us something a little lower than Alex Meyer. Im excited for what Hicks can become, let him go through some growing pains in 2013 in the Majors, and hopefully he can become pretty darn good in 2014
    1. Jim H's Avatar
      Jim H -
      Revere's stock is at it's zenith. He will not get more valuable than he is right now. Hicks will be as good, all things considered, in 2013 and much better in 2014. I wouldn't worry about starting his arbitration clock, with Buxton's projected time of arrival at 2016.
      I don't really agree with any of this. Revere value may be as high as it going to get, but I doubt it. He has always shown an ability to hit. I believe he can contend for batting titles and if he does his value goes up, big time. Nothing about Hicks' year at AA suggest that he is close to ready to play in the majors. I suspect he will be very good when he is ready, but letting him struggle in the majors right now is unlikely to do him much good.

      Finally, just because Buxton might be ready by 2016 is no reason to put Hicks in the majors now. They could play side by side, Hicks might be more tradeable with a lower salary, and just because Buxton might replace Hicks that soon is no good reason to let Hicks struggle in the majors if he is not ready.
    1. diehardtwinsfan's Avatar
      diehardtwinsfan -
      I have a tough time believing Revere's value is at its zenith because I don't see Revere as all that valuable. I'd argue that if he put up an OPS between .700 and .750 this season that he'd have some value, but right now, there are too many question marks to think he's going to get mch of a return.
    1. Chris in Osaka's Avatar
      Chris in Osaka -
      Quote Originally Posted by tjsyam921 View Post
      Is a Revere for Hellickson trade possible?
      You must be out of your mind!
    1. Chris in Osaka's Avatar
      Chris in Osaka -
      Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
      Revere's stock is at it's zenith. He will not get more valuable than he is right now. Hicks will be as good, all things considered, in 2013 and much better in 2014. I wouldn't worry about starting his arbitration clock, with Buxton's projected time of arrival at 2016.
      Exactly. By the end of this year, his complete dearth of offensive skills will be glaringly apparent: no power and an on-base percentage below 300. Trade him for a warm arm or two.
    1. ScottyB's Avatar
      ScottyB -
      http://www.startribune.com/sports/tw...182355221.html

      Latest from LEN III - Twins do seem to be shopping Revere and give a chance to Hicks in CF.
    1. jay's Avatar
      jay -
      Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
      Alfonso Soriano is eerily similar to Wells (2B is not an option, LF only) except he might be still worthwhile on offense for two more years. A three-team trade where the Twins get Soriano from the Cubs and a stud prospect from Team C plus some other assorted youngsters, and give up both Revere and Willingham to be distributed between Cubs and Team C, might work?
      And at least then we'd still have some RH pop for the current lineup. I still think moving Revere is an odd concept and would rather seem Hammer move in a deal like this.

      I really like the third team idea. We've been hearing about lots of multi-team talks down at the GM mtgs, so maybe something like that is possible. Maybe the Mariners? Hammer to SEA, Soriano and Paxton to MIN, MIN B-prospect to CHC? It wouldn't look as much like we've given up on '13 and '14 while we get a good arm back.

      I'd probably give TR a gold star just for effort and doing something different if they pull it off.
    1. Connecticut Twins Fan's Avatar
      Connecticut Twins Fan -
      You nailed it, Parker!
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