• Rotation becomes clear as Minnesota Twins cut two more

    The Minnesota Twins announce today that they have send pitchers Samuel Deduno and P.J. Walters to AAA, leaving 29 players on the active roster.

    A tweaked groin during his last start in the World Baseball Classic derailed Deduno’s chances of making the rotation to open the season. He had pitched extremely well in the international competition, allowing just one earned run in 13 innings while striking out 17 and walked just five. Had it not have been for the injury, Deduno would likely have been a member of the rotation.

    Walters, meanwhile, had his name in the conversation this spring by not allowing many runs. However, he walked eight batters in 13 innings and, in his most recent outing against the Blue Jays, Walters was smacked around a bit.

    These two moves clear the path for pitchers Cole Devries and Liam Hendriks to join the rotation, at least while Scott Diamond recovers from his offseason elbow injury.

    With the roster set at 29, the remaining positional race to focus on will be the last two spot in the bullpen which should come down to Tyler Robertson, Josh Roenicke and Alex Burnett.
    Comments 49 Comments
    1. John Bonnes's Avatar
      John Bonnes -
      Quote Originally Posted by Badsmerf View Post
      The Twins are not going to pay Correia 4.5 million to work as a long man in the bullpen. The decision to get him keeps looking worse and worse.
      It could happen eventually. They did for Blackburn. But Correia will get plenty of leash.
    1. Badsmerf's Avatar
      Badsmerf -
      Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
      It could happen eventually. They did for Blackburn. But Correia will get plenty of leash.
      True, but after plenty of chances.
    1. Mr. Brooks's Avatar
      Mr. Brooks -
      Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
      It could happen eventually. They did for Blackburn. But Correia will get plenty of leash.
      Aside from the 6 BP appearances Blackburn made in his rookie season, he's only pitched out of the bullpen 2 times.
    1. cmathewson's Avatar
      cmathewson -
      More likely if Correia sucks as bad as Blackburn did last year, he'll be DFAed after 19 starts. I doubt he'll end up in the bullpen.

      The worst case scenario is he pitches just good enough to hold down a rotation spot all year, but not good enough to win more than five games. In that case, he could be a 20-game loser.

      I project him better than that, but he sure has not given us much reason for optimism this spring.
    1. savvyspy's Avatar
      savvyspy -
      The upside of Correia is Nick Blackburn on a shorter but equally ridiculous contract. He won't be on the roster June 1st. I'd be stunned if his ERA is below 7 after 6-8 starts. I haven't seen anything from Worley that suggests he was really anything but a throw in in the Revere trade. I think Pelfrey is fine as a 4-5 guy but since that's all this team has, he's basically replacement level. Until Meyer and Gibson are in this rotation full time its bottom 3 in the league. So while the rotation might be clear, its obvious its not any better than last year.
    1. Mr. Brooks's Avatar
      Mr. Brooks -
      Quote Originally Posted by savvyspy View Post
      The upside of Correia is Nick Blackburn on a shorter but equally ridiculous contract. He won't be on the roster June 1st. I'd be stunned if his ERA is below 7 after 6-8 starts. I haven't seen anything from Worley that suggests he was really anything but a throw in in the Revere trade. I think Pelfrey is fine as a 4-5 guy but since that's all this team has, he's basically replacement level. Until Meyer and Gibson are in this rotation full time its bottom 3 in the league. So while the rotation might be clear, its obvious its not any better than last year.
      I highly doubt the Twins are going to sign a FA to a multi year deal, then cut him after 2 months, regardless of how poorly he is pitching.
      People mention Blackburn, but he was allowed to struggle for nearly 3 full seasons before they finally cut the cord on him, and even still he'd be in the mix if he wasn't hurt.
    1. Jack Torse's Avatar
      Jack Torse -
      This staff is going to be a disaster. They literally have zero chance to even be competitve. 100 losses is a legitimate possibility.
    1. Badsmerf's Avatar
      Badsmerf -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jack Torse View Post
      This staff is going to be a disaster. They literally have zero chance to even be competitve. 100 losses is a legitimate possibility.
      I don't think I'd go that far. Gibson and Meyer could at least provide some talent on the starting staff. The Twins didn't even have that to fall back on last season.
    1. twinstalker's Avatar
      twinstalker -
      Did someone expect or hope for 1.5 years from a guy on a one-year contract?
    1. SpiritofVodkaDave's Avatar
      SpiritofVodkaDave -
      Quote Originally Posted by Badsmerf View Post
      True, but after plenty of chances.
      The problem is there won't likely be any pitcher truly "knocking" on the door to replace Correia, if the Twins have 4 "solid"pitchers and Correia is the only one who is an issue, well, then the Twins are in better shape then I would predict at that point.
    1. cmathewson's Avatar
      cmathewson -
      Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
      The problem is there won't likely be any pitcher truly "knocking" on the door to replace Correia, if the Twins have 4 "solid"pitchers and Correia is the only one who is an issue, well, then the Twins are in better shape then I would predict at that point.
      I disagree. Deduno will be knocking on the door in April. Gibson will be knocking on the door in May .Meyers will be knocking on the door in August. Of the pitchers in camp this year, Correia is eighth on my list as far as the likelihood of success in the AL. I would put these pitchers ahead of him:

      Worley
      Diamond
      Pelfrey
      Handriks
      Devries
      Deduno
      Gibson
      Meyers
    1. ashburyjohn's Avatar
      ashburyjohn -
      Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
      Meyers will be knocking on the door in August.
      To my knowledge the Twins have only one Meyer.
    1. Rosterman's Avatar
      Rosterman -
      And, actually, you could May and Hermsen in that mix, since they are on the 40-man roster, and even Hernandez.
    1. Drtwins's Avatar
      Drtwins -
      I agree Correia would be 8th or 9th on my list of starters, I am taking price into consideration in my list though. If he was getting paid around 1 mil a season I could see him as the no 4 or 5 as I feel most of our pitchers are 4 or 5's.

      - Worley, Diamond, Pelfrey are easily ahead of Correia.

      - Hendriks (has done well at AAA and is younger) and Deduno (has shown he has good stuff and pitched well in majors and wbc) would be ahead of Correia.

      - DeVries is younger and at best could be a No 3 or 4 starter (200 innings type pitcher) but for a lot less money would be a better option.

      - Gibson would be a better option but coming off tommy john and no major league experience makes since for him to be in the minors

      - Heck since Blackburn was already getting paid big money and had solid no 5 numbers (4 - 4.5 era and 150+ innings) in 3 of the past 5 years I'd give him a chance if not injured over Correia for 4+ mil. (not suggesting blackburn should start either as more then 5 players are listed above)

      Also, have perdomo, meyers, and may in the next year or two
    1. h2oface's Avatar
      h2oface -
      Would you rather have Cole DeVries on the staff or ............ Cliff Lee. Check out the spring training stats.......... Cole Devries is a mirage. His upside will surface all too soon once the season starts, me thinks........ and it will not be pretty.
    1. beckmt's Avatar
      beckmt -
      Quote Originally Posted by h2oface View Post
      Would you rather have Cole DeVries on the staff or ............ Cliff Lee. Check out the spring training stats.......... Cole Devries is a mirage. His upside will surface all too soon once the season starts, me thinks........ and it will not be pretty.
      There are a number of pitchers that have lasted with the same or less stuff than Cole DeVries (Read Jamie Moyers, 1938 version of Dizzy Dean, and others). Location is the big thing for these type of pitchers, also ball movement and changing speeds, Rick Reed is another one that comes to mind). See how he pitches before throwing negative comments. He might surprise you.
    1. h2oface's Avatar
      h2oface -
      Quote Originally Posted by beckmt View Post
      There are a number of pitchers that have lasted with the same or less stuff than Cole DeVries (Read Jamie Moyers, 1938 version of Dizzy Dean, and others). Location is the big thing for these type of pitchers, also ball movement and changing speeds, Rick Reed is another one that comes to mind). See how he pitches before throwing negative comments. He might surprise you.
      I agree, he might surprise. I hope he does, of course. I was never impressed with him, and the minor league performance in AAA doesn't give me encouragement. I stick with my comment, though, and he did earn it this spring.
    1. jun's Avatar
      jun -
      Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
      What happens if DeVries and Hendriks are holding their own while Correia, Pelfrey and Worley struggle mightily? Does this team have the stones to pull the plug on Correia and Pelfrey if Diamond is ready and Gibson and Deduno or even Hernandez are proving themselves at Rochester? I don't think they do, I think Hendriks/DeVries get sent packing regardless of accomplishments.
      I doubt Hendriks is going to be effective in the major league. I have high hope for De Vries, Deduno and Hernandez though. I also think Walters has a chance to be successful as a long reliever/ spot starter in the major league.
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by jun View Post
      I doubt Hendriks is going to be effective in the major league. I have high hope for De Vries, Deduno and Hernandez though. I also think Walters has a chance to be successful as a long reliever/ spot starter in the major league.
      Why on Earth would you doubt Hendriks' ability and have hopes for De Vries (and to a lesser extent, Deduno)?
    1. jun's Avatar
      jun -
      Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
      I disagree. Deduno will be knocking on the door in April. Gibson will be knocking on the door in May .Meyers will be knocking on the door in August. Of the pitchers in camp this year, Correia is eighth on my list as far as the likelihood of success in the AL. I would put these pitchers ahead of him:

      Worley
      Diamond
      Pelfrey
      Handriks
      Devries
      Deduno
      Gibson
      Meyers
      Hendriks is not going to have success in the major league level.
      Gibson and Meyer are not ready yet.
      I would give Hernandez and Walters a chance to compete a spot in the rotation though.
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