• Oswaldo Arcia To Be Called Up On Monday

    According to Phil Miller, the Star-Tribune's Minnesota Twins beat reporter, Oswaldo Arcia will be called up on Monday to fill-in for Wilkin Ramirez, who will go on paternity leave. Twins Daily ranks Arcia as the #4 prospect in the Twins system, is only 21 years old and is currently hitting .414 with a .793(!) slugging percentage in Rochester. According to Miller, he will be the youngest player to debut for the Twins since Joe Mauer.

    How much playing time he'll have remains to be seen. Ramirez is a bench bat, but the Twins are unlikely to be calling up Arcia to sit on the bench. He has played mostly right field for the last two years, but Chris Parmelee is relatively young and healthy and also hits left-handed, like Arcia. The other corner outfield, Josh Willingham is a veteran who hit 35 home runs last year. It seems most likely Arcia will serve in one of those spots or as designated hitter, and the positions will rotate, giving Parmelee, Willingham, Joe Mauer, Ryan Doumit or Justin Morneau some time off.

    It's also unclear how long he will remain with the team. Ramirez should only be gone for a few games. For Arcia to remain much longer would require an injury, some serious roster re-shuffling or a change in position.

    Last year in AA-New Britain, Arcia did play 10 games in center field and played their full time in rookie league. His move to a corner spot supposedly had more to do with the organization's depth than his inability to play the position. So the Twins could try for a game in center field.

    If he can handle the position defensively, it might make things interesting for the Twins. Current center fielder Aaron Hicks has struggled from the left side of the plate in the past and has just two hits and two walks versus 17 strikeouts from that side this year. The Twins could platoon the two as they learn the ropes their rookie years.
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    1. gunnarthor's Avatar
      gunnarthor -
      Quote Originally Posted by Oxtung View Post
      If the Twins are only looking for 3 days of bench duty then why bring up Arcia? Herrmann and Benson seem like the obvious choices. Both have already started their service clocks. Herrmann is already riding the pine at Rochester. What is the benefit to bringing Arcia up for only 3 days?
      Neither is playing well. Why should they promote them for 3 days? Arcia is going to be promoted at some point this year - after they trade Willingham or in Sept - so 3 days here isn't a big deal.

      Complaining about this move seems to me just an example of complaining just to be contradictory.
    1. ashburyjohn's Avatar
      ashburyjohn -
      Quote Originally Posted by Oxtung View Post
      If the Twins are only looking for 3 days of bench duty then why bring up Arcia? Herrmann and Benson seem like the obvious choices. Both have already started their service clocks. Herrmann is already riding the pine at Rochester. What is the benefit to bringing Arcia up for only 3 days?
      Conversely what is the harm? Once he's on the 40-man, you have to burn an option each year to keep him off the major league roster, so bringing him up and sending him down doesn't affect that. And his actual major league service time only accrues while he is up. Unless the plan was to not bring him up at all this season, or only for September, the arbitration clock should not be affected very much.
    1. Oxtung's Avatar
      Oxtung -
      Quote Originally Posted by gunnarthor View Post
      Neither is playing well. Why should they promote them for 3 days? Arcia is going to be promoted at some point this year - after they trade Willingham or in Sept - so 3 days here isn't a big deal.

      Complaining about this move seems to me just an example of complaining just to be contradictory.
      Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
      Conversely what is the harm? Once he's on the 40-man, you have to burn an option each year to keep him off the major league roster, so bringing him up and sending him down doesn't affect that. And his actual major league service time only accrues while he is up. Unless the plan was to not bring him up at all this season, or only for September, the arbitration clock should not be affected very much.

      You both are arguing the same point essentially so I'll reply to both of you.

      There is potentially a big drawback to bringing him up and that is you start his service clock. Injury is a very real and present part of baseball. Kubel, Joe Benson, Mauer, Span, Morneau, etc.. have all lost major playing time because of injuries. If Arcia comes up for this 3 days then goes back down then gets hurt (or just goes into a slump) and doesn't make it back to the Twins this year you're still using a year of service time. That is a very real possiblity.

      So what do you gain for that risk? 3 days of what will essentially be bench duty. There is no need to start him, all 3 starting OF's are healthy and you even have Mastroianni available.

      To me that risk-reward tradoff isn't worth it. Not when there are other options available that don't carry any of the risk. Assuming this is only a 3 day stretch until Ramirez gets back I see nothing good that can come out of this move.

      Now, if this is a legitimate look to replace Hicks, Parmelee or Willingham and Arcia is going to get an extended chance to show what he can do I have no problems with it. But for 3 days it seems to add little value for a substantial risk.
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by Oxtung View Post
      If the Twins are only looking for 3 days of bench duty then why bring up Arcia?
      And that's why I don't think the Twins are looking for three days of bench duty. It doesn't make sense to put Oswaldo in the mix in such a useless gesture.

      I think there's a good chance we see Arcia stay up and Hicks go down.
    1. Seth Stohs's Avatar
      Seth Stohs -
      Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
      I think that's the most probable scenario. Also, I wouldn't blame them for not wanting him to be learning a new position when he's trying to adjust to big league pitching.

      But I still hope they think out of the box a little on this one. If he can play center field - and that's a fairly easy thing to find out - then I'd love to give him a trial there at this level. Otherwise, his path is blocked barring trade or injury.
      CF isn't really learning a new position. He's played CF. He knows how to play the position. CF is the easiest of the three positions. The only reason he hasn't played there a lot in pro ball isn't because he can't, it's because he doesn't have the speed/range that guys like Hicks, Benson, Mastroianni, Morales, etc., have.

      If they're will to have him play CF in between Willingham and Parmelee for the short-term, he'll make the plays he gets to. No worries about that.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      I fail to see how bringing up some hope is bad for the team. If he is ready, great. If not, he goes back down.
    1. cmathewson's Avatar
      cmathewson -
      Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
      CF isn't really learning a new position. He's played CF. He knows how to play the position. CF is the easiest of the three positions. The only reason he hasn't played there a lot in pro ball isn't because he can't, it's because he doesn't have the speed/range that guys like Hicks, Benson, Mastroianni, Morales, etc., have.

      If they're will to have him play CF in between Willingham and Parmelee for the short-term, he'll make the plays he gets to. No worries about that.
      He'll produce more runs than he'll give up relative to Hicks if they just put him in CF. At this point, the production would not be that hard. I'd like to see him play out there at least one game during the next series, just to see what kind of jumps he gets on balls before I say he's better, all things considered.
    1. Rick Blaine's Avatar
      Rick Blaine -
      Maybe he plays left field and Willingham becomes full time DH with Doumit provides the pop off the bench?
    1. mudcat14's Avatar
      mudcat14 -
      Bottom line. With a five game skid and almost zero offensive production from CF or the entire line-up in general, something's gotta happen to shake things up. Ozzie is absolutely raking, and is only two weeks removed from the watchful eyes of our entire evaluation staff. Granted he was in the minor league camp, but they still were watching him daily and have a very good idea how he's swinging it. I'll be shocked if he's only around for three days. I'm convinced the idea is to give him AB's and let him run with them.
    1. snepp's Avatar
      snepp -
      Quote Originally Posted by Oxtung View Post
      There is potentially a big drawback to bringing him up and that is you start his service clock. Injury is a very real and present part of baseball. Kubel, Joe Benson, Mauer, Span, Morneau, etc.. have all lost major playing time because of injuries. If Arcia comes up for this 3 days then goes back down then gets hurt (or just goes into a slump) and doesn't make it back to the Twins this year you're still using a year of service time. That is a very real possiblity
      Injury is only a concern if he gets seriously injured while in the majors. Once he's back in the minors, any injuries from that point forward will use the minor league DL and no additional service time would be accrued.

      I don't understand what you're saying about "not making it back and still using a year of service time." It's been pointed out that it doesn't work that way. The clock doesn't simply start and then just keep running, it stops the instant the player goes back to the minors.
    1. h2oface's Avatar
      h2oface -
      I hope they give him starts in center and Hicks a rest. It would be even good to see Hicks pinch run....... and see some stolen bases. Something. Anything, but what we are seeing now.
    1. Thrylos's Avatar
      Thrylos -
      There is another twist on this:

      Bringing up Arcia instead of Benson or anyone else on the current 40-man roster, will bring some rear ends on Target Field seats. I would not doubt that people who were not planning on going to the games against the Angels (the only team with worse record than the Twins in the AL, btw) will go. Maybe up to 1000 a day; that's 3000 people for the 3 days, which translates to about 150K for the Twins (tickets, concessions etc.) Not bad.
    1. Kwak's Avatar
      Kwak -
      Is there anyone who doesn't believe this team needs good hitters? Or, that the Twins are rebuilding for the future? Or, that there isn't oodles of $$ available in the payroll now and in the future? It should be abundantly clear that the Twins find out who can produce and secure regular playing time for them. Service time is only relevant for armchair GMs. There are more spots available than there are people who can/should fill them. If Arcia belongs--play him.
      I also recall several years back that the Twins liked to promote deserving minor leaguers "a taste" not just as a reward but for the experience so when said player truly is promoted (and expected to stay) that he "has some experience" and is less likely to be awed/overwhelmed. Maybe that's the case with Arcia--and maybe they are hoping he can stick and become a regular. In either case, let's hope he knocks the cover off of the ball, stays around for oh 10 years or so, and discussion of service time can be completely forgotten (as it should!).
    1. IdahoPilgrim's Avatar
      IdahoPilgrim -
      Quote Originally Posted by Reginald Maudling's Shin View Post
      IMO Willingham should have been in right field starting last year, he's got a good enough arm that he provides value out there. Parmelee has looked adequate enough though that he's not hurting you. At this point they're not moving Willingham from left though.
      They signed him to be their right fielder. Apparently, though, Willingham indicated that he wasn't comfortable with the position and wanted to stay in left. That's why the Twins had to scramble to put someone in RF last year.
    1. ashburyjohn's Avatar
      ashburyjohn -
      Quote Originally Posted by biscuit View Post
      Hey. Doumit and Hicks combined are batting .218. How can it hurt to have Arcia fill in for either one of them?
      Add in Dozier's .161 and you have a very respectable .379.
    1. LaBombo's Avatar
      LaBombo -
      Quote Originally Posted by Kwak View Post
      Service time is only relevant for armchair GMs... ...service time can be completely forgotten (as it should!)
      Thank goodness you're right, or we may have been deprived of Hicksie's 3rd-worst 30 at bat MLB-debut batting average since 1900 (tip o' the cap to oxtung).

      Now you just need to convince the GMs, players, owners and agents who clearly disagree. Maybe you could call them armchair GMs too; that's what really got me on board.
    1. clutterheart's Avatar
      clutterheart -
      Thanks for the memories Justin
    1. diehardtwinsfan's Avatar
      diehardtwinsfan -
      Quote Originally Posted by mudcat14 View Post
      So to qualify as a 'Super 2' or whatever the term is, he would have to stay up the rest of the this season plus the next two to qualify for arbitration?
      Yes. He would be just shy of 3 seasons and would subsequently be a super 2. If they wanted to play the arb game, he'd get called up a bit closer to June. At that point, they'd get approximately 3.5 arb free seasons out of him with 3 arb seasons.
    1. jorgenswest's Avatar
      jorgenswest -
      Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
      I think that's the most probable scenario. Also, I wouldn't blame them for not wanting him to be learning a new position when he's trying to adjust to big league pitching.

      But I still hope they think out of the box a little on this one. If he can play center field - and that's a fairly easy thing to find out - then I'd love to give him a trial there at this level. Otherwise, his path is blocked barring trade or injury.
      Find out?

      They should already know. Like most good prospects, the Twins started him in the most demanding defensive position possible in the low minors. He started as a CF and was moved to a corner. They found out.
    1. StormJH1's Avatar
      StormJH1 -
      I've been trying to get worked up about this, but the fact is that he dominated AA, even if only for 69 games, and he's murdering the ball early in AAA this year. He'll be 22 in May, and if we're at the point where the younger "Top 100" prospects are close to or already better than the Parmelee-type mid-tier prospects who are just hanging around, then we might as well get them up here and have a look. He'll probably be sent right back down anyway.

      Kinda strange that Wilkin Ramirez's paternity leave led to Arcia's callup, since Ramirez is a righty that shouldn't be getting platoon time anyway. Parmelee's been alright so far, but now he takes a seat for "the next big thing". Of course, Parmelee may have the 1B job by the end of the year anyway due to Morneau injury or trade, but he does have to hit.
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