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  • Vance Worley Demoted to AAA-Rochester

    Immediately following today's 8-3 loss to the Braves, the Twins demoted Opening Day starting pitcher, Vance Worley, to AAA-Rochester. Worley had given up eight runs in 3.2 innings in today's game, raising his ERA to 7.21 on the year. The Twins did not announce a corresponding move, though they have announced that Samuel Deduno will pitch on Friday and has not been called up. However, he will be taking Hernandez' - not Worley's - spot in the rotation.

    Worley joined the Twins this offseason when he was acquired from the Philadelphia Phillies along with pitching prospect Trevor May for outfielder Ben Revere. With the Phillies, Worley had posted 3.50 ERA over 2+ seasons with a 7.7 K/9 ratio. However, his 2012 season had been cut short for elbow surgery to remove bone chips. With the Twins, his K/9 is just 4.6. If he has had any injuries this year, neither he nor the team has revealed them.

    Worley's turn in the rotation would come on Monday the 27th. The Twins have not announced who will ultimately take his place in the rotation. Earlier this week, they chose Deduno over Kyle Gibson, Andrew Albers and PJ Walters to replace Hernandez. Prospect Kyle Gibson, who has thrown two complete game shutouts in his last three outings, was originally scheduled to have his next start in AAA this weekend. If he makes that start, he would not be available for Monday, so that might be an indicator whether the Twins are leaning towards calling him up for his major league debut.
    Comments 79 Comments
    1. Kwak's Avatar
      Kwak -
      Worley to Rochester, Pelfrey to ?, if Correia sputters to Blackburn level is anyone/thing also on their/its way out?
    1. crarko's Avatar
      crarko -
      Quote Originally Posted by sbknudson View Post
      If he had an option year remaining, he can't decline assignment (at least not until he has 5 years of MLB service time).

      Are you perhaps thinking of being outrighted, off the 40-man? That can only happen once without your consent.
      Right, it's Pelfrey who has an option remaining but could refuse it based on the 5 year clause.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      Don't forget, they will be playing meaningful games in September.
    1. USAFChief's Avatar
      USAFChief -
      I don't care if I ever see Worley in a Twins uniform again. Actually, I do care...I hope I don't.

      He quickly cemented a place on my "all time least favorite Twins" list in April, and has been steadily moving up since. He passed Tommy Herr long ago.

      The lack of stuff is one thing, but what I hated most:
      - the haircut
      - the "you owe me that call" look every time a close pitch didn't go his way
      - the "you owe me that play" look every time a tough play wasn't made behind him
      - the impression I got that he was pissed at the world because he ended up in lowly Minnesota, rather than pitching for the Phillies, which was his birthright

      Good riddance.
    1. Jeremy Nygaard's Avatar
      Jeremy Nygaard -
      Worley was optioned in 11 and 12, so he has an option left. The only time you couldn't option a player who has options left is if he has 5+ years of service. Worley doesn't. It was mentioned above that the Twins could avoid arbitration if he spends a month in AAA; that's true. The believed cutoff for Super-2 status is 2.133 years. Worley had 1.152 coming into this season. You can spend 11 days in the minors and still get credit for a full 172 and Worley would need 20 less than that... so June 23 would be the day that would *presumably* be the day that leaves him 1 day short of Super-2 status.

      Also, there was a write-up on Fangraphs about Worley earlier today. (It looks like something Parker would do, if that's up your alley.)
    1. robbie111's Avatar
      robbie111 -
      Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
      We all know it, but Twins management insists that they need to see more consistency from Gibson before he's worthy of the call. No such "criteria" is needed for Walters, you know what you're going to get from Walters provided he's healthy.

      Regarding Albers, I'd like nothing better than to see him called up and succeed, but his current stuff (FB in the mid-80s?) apparently doesn't translate to the majors, ala Slama.
      The last scouting report I saw from 2011 had Albers hitting 90 with his fastball, since when did his velocity decrease to mid 80's?
    1. TKGuy's Avatar
      TKGuy -
      I'm happy that no roster spots are guaranteed.
    1. cmathewson's Avatar
      cmathewson -
      It has to be Gibson. They used Mastro's spot for Colabello. They will likely use Woods' spot for Deduno. They are running out of 60-day DL candidates. I suppose they could DFA someone. But whom?
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by robbie111 View Post
      The last scouting report I saw from 2011 had Albers hitting 90 with his fastball, since when did his velocity decrease to mid 80's?
      The report I got was from 2012 and said his FB was hitting in the mid-80s.
      Here's an excerpt from ESPN1500 from May 12, 2013:

      "Ryan said Albers has "left-handed funk" and that he "relies a lot on deception."
      That could be said for a lot of successful left-handers in the game, past and present.
      But what the Twins organization likes about Albers is that he's not afraid to throw strikes -- even as a soft-tosser -- with an arsenal that isn't the traditional sinker-slider that one might expect out of a contact pitcher.'

      That shouldn't make anyone comfortable that Alber's stuff automatically translates to the majors.
    1. snepp's Avatar
      snepp -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Nygaard View Post
      You can spend 11 days in the minors and still get credit for a full 172

      A player on an optional assignment will get credit for a full season of service unless they spend at least 20 days in the minors.

      It would be 11 days if the player is not on an option (DFA'd), or didn't start the season on the 40-man (Wil Myers).
    1. stringer bell's Avatar
      stringer bell -
      Ironic that Worley's two worst starts were against NL teams, including one with no DH. Then again, maybe not so ironic since both the Mets and the Braves had seen him multiple times.
    1. stringer bell's Avatar
      stringer bell -
      A serious question. Do the Twins alter their rotation a bit here? Deduno was supposed to pitch yesterday, I believe. Maybe he should go right away on Thursday, giving Diamond an extra day. Also Pelfrey could probably go any time between Friday and Sunday since he only worked two innings thanks to the rain. Gibson's scheduled day would be Friday, but if he's called up, Saturday would be a good day to start him.
    1. IdahoPilgrim's Avatar
      IdahoPilgrim -
      Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
      A serious question. Do the Twins alter their rotation a bit here? Deduno was supposed to pitch yesterday, I believe. Maybe he should go right away on Thursday, giving Diamond an extra day. Also Pelfrey could probably go any time between Friday and Sunday since he only worked two innings thanks to the rain. Gibson's scheduled day would be Friday, but if he's called up, Saturday would be a good day to start him.
      Why? What would be the goal?

      I would just assume whoever replaces Worley (Gibson?) would pitch Monday, in Worley's normal spot. Is there really a reason to change, other than tinkering?
    1. cmathewson's Avatar
      cmathewson -
      Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
      The report I got was from 2012 and said his FB was hitting in the mid-80s.
      Here's an excerpt from ESPN1500 from May 12, 2013:

      "Ryan said Albers has "left-handed funk" and that he "relies a lot on deception."
      That could be said for a lot of successful left-handers in the game, past and present.
      But what the Twins organization likes about Albers is that he's not afraid to throw strikes -- even as a soft-tosser -- with an arsenal that isn't the traditional sinker-slider that one might expect out of a contact pitcher.'

      That shouldn't make anyone comfortable that Alber's stuff automatically translates to the majors.
      Watching Hernandez get shelled reaffirmed in me the notion that, in today's game, if guys don't respect your fastball, they just sit offspeed, keep their hands back and hit ropes. I don't want Albers. I don't want Walters. I want Gibson. Then Meyer.
    1. mako83's Avatar
      mako83 -
      Heres what I think walters is next. They will demote pelf in the next two weeks and then three months of gibson.
    1. Halsey Hall's Avatar
      Halsey Hall -
      Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
      A serious question. Do the Twins alter their rotation a bit here? Deduno was supposed to pitch yesterday, I believe. Maybe he should go right away on Thursday, giving Diamond an extra day. Also Pelfrey could probably go any time between Friday and Sunday since he only worked two innings thanks to the rain. Gibson's scheduled day would be Friday, but if he's called up, Saturday would be a good day to start him.
      What did I hear? Pelfrey on friday I believe. Anyway Kevin C. moves back a day.
    1. nicksaviking's Avatar
      nicksaviking -
      Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post

      "Ryan said Albers has"left-handed funk" and that he "relies a lot on deception."
      That could be said for a lot of successful left-handers in the game, past and present.
      But what the Twins organization likes about Albers is that he's not afraid to throw strikes -- even as a soft-tosser -- with an arsenal that isn't the traditional sinker-slider that one might expect out of a contact pitcher.'
      That's the part I would have highlighted. I don't think there could be a phrase that better defines the Twins rediculous pitching philosophy. I realize that is not likely a direct quote but I swear I've heard both Ryan and Gardenhire utter that phrase a dozen times each.

      Are some pitchers afraid to throw strikes? Did Liriano not throw strikes because he was afraid? Or was it because he did not possess the ability to do so consistantly. The Twins actually think this is the recipie for success? The guy doesn't have the stuff to miss bats, but at least the batters will be well aware that his pitches will be in the strike zone. Well done.

      This line of thinking is so conceded it my blood boils. He's not afraid to throw strikes, even as a soft-tosser. Wow bold statement. Is the implication that most soft tossers don't throw strikes? I'd like to know who that guy is because I don't know how that formula could translate to any sort of success.
    1. Shane Wahl's Avatar
      Shane Wahl -
      Gibson, Walters, and Albers should all be next. A rotation of Gibson (wasted innings in AAA--i would have him at 40 right now), Diamond, Deduno, Correia, and Walters is something I would want right now. Albers is not a bad option at all. He is not Pedro the joke Hernandez. He is much more like Diamond.

      Pelfrey needs to "get an injury" right now.
    1. Shane Wahl's Avatar
      Shane Wahl -
      I say now a lot, there. It's called drinking after a Twins loss.
    1. snepp's Avatar
      snepp -
      You should mix in the occasional 'meow' instead, especially if it's preceded by 'right'.
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