• Marketable Twins (1st of two-part series)

    Earlier today I asked Twitter followers (and others) to tell me who they think the Twins will or should trade. I figured I could come up with some hypotheticals and the readers at TwinsDaily could weigh in on the different proposals. I’m not suggesting these are all trades I would make, but are deals I consider relatively fair (and that make sense) from both clubs’ views.

    I immediately got a lot of suggestions: Justin Morneau, Kevin Correia, Trevor Plouffe, Jamey Carroll, Mike Pelfrey, Josh Willingham and Glen Perkins.
    There were a few Joe Mauer suggestions, but I figured they were in jest, so we’ll stay away from that. There was also one that involved minor leaguers. Now, while I do think the Twins could deal away a prospect or two in the right package, they won't be dealing the “building blocks of the future”.

    Today we’ll start out with the four easier decisions (in my opinion) and we’ll take a look at the three more difficult ones tomorrow.

    Jamey Carroll

    Carroll is currently playing out his age-39 season and will, in all likelihood, be receiving a $250,000 buyout after the season. While he’s on pace to make the lowest number of plate appearances since his rookie season of 2002, he still provides versatility and a somewhat valuable glove at multiple infield positions.

    Considering this may be Carroll’s final season, I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see the Twins deal him to a contender. At this point, it’s hard to say who, but the return would likely not be a prospect.

    Would you trade Jamey Carroll and cash (likely the money to cover his buyout) for a PTBNL or cash?

    The return would probably be the “buyout money” coming back, which would essentially mean that Carroll is given away solely to give him the opportunity to play in a pennant race (and maybe the Twins save a few hundred thousand on his remaining salary). It sounds fair to me and it also allows the Twins to give a few at-bats to James Beresford or Doug Bernier.

    Mike Pelfrey

    I thought that, when the Twins signed Pelfrey, there was potential for him to be a guy the Twins could deal at the deadline. (Off topic, they could have done much worse than signing Pelfrey. See: Baker, Marcum, Myers.)

    Unfortunately, Pelfrey got off to a rough start before hurting his back. Now we’re looking at him getting only a handful of starts before the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline. Pelfrey is on pace to finish right around 150 IP, which triggers the first of many incentives. (The first one is worth $100,000.)

    I can’t imagine there is a huge trade market for a current fringe-#5 starter, so I see very little chance Pelfrey gets moved.

    Given that Pelfrey’s agent is Scott Boras, we know that Pelfrey will hit the free agent market after the season. Call me nuts, but I think we have yet to see the best of Pelfrey. (In which case, let’s see what happens in late August.) To be completely honest, I would sign Pelfrey to the exact same deal next year that he has currently, but I think he'll get a better deal in the off-season.

    Kevin Correia

    Correia is an interesting case. He signed a 2-year/$10 million deal which fans and local media hated instantly. He then started out the season pitching much better than expected. Now he’s leveled off and isn’t doing anything to help the Twins or his trade value (though he was pretty good tonight).

    Oh, then there’s the “you can’t trade a guy in the first year of a multi-year deal” thing you've gotta deal with.

    I think Correia has less value than Pelfrey because of the $5.5 million owed him in 2014. Is Correia the piece that’s going to put a team over the top and into the playoffs? I don’t think so, Tim. Is there a team that would add Correia to help stabilize an overused bullpen? I don’t even think that’s a possibility.

    But let’s pretend for a moment that the Rockies, who liked Correia last offseason and are a handful of games back, get hot and decide to become buyers. (I don’t think it’s likely, but just for the sake of saying…)

    Would you trade Kevin Correia and cash for Christian Bergman, a AA starter who doesn’t throw hard but could be Kevin Correia in a handful of years?

    I can’t imagine the Twins get much of anything after asking a team to cover all of next year’s salary. In this scenario, maybe the Twins cover $2 - $3 million and get a guy that would be a fringe Top 30 prospect. If you’re not okay with chipping in a couple million, replace Bergman with any AA relief pitcher with either control issues or one who is older than the competition.

    Josh Willingham

    It’s actually quite a simple question with Willingham. Are you okay with trading damaged goods for two low-level, limited-ceiling pitchers right now just to get out of his 2014 salary? Or would you rather see him get healthy and shop him at the winter meetings and hope to get something back with better value?

    Listen, I like Willingham and given what the potential returns were last deadline (rumored to be not much), I’m glad the Twins didn’t deal him. It was a calculated risk, sure, and it didn’t work out the way the Twins had hoped.

    There is a chance he can recoup some value and be traded still, whether by the August deadline, over the winter or next July. But being honest here, if the return value wasn’t going to be high in the midst of a career year, when is it?


    Tomorrow we’ll look at Justin Morneau, Trevor Plouffe and Glen Perkins.
    This article was originally published in blog: Marketable Twins (1st of two-part series) started by Jeremy Nygaard
    Comments 27 Comments
    1. nicksaviking's Avatar
      nicksaviking -
      Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
      Also with what the Twins have in their rotation right now why would they want to trade KC or Pelfry? There isn't anyone ready to step up in their place. Albers and Hernandez and maybe Hendriks is all we got left in the cupboard until next year...oh and Swarzak. But I do agree that they do not hold much value.
      I'd trade either of them in a losing year to give Hendriks one last extended look. Aside from Albers and Hernandez, Worley is still at Rochester and Walters cleared waivers. Logan Darnell looks like he could get a shot and perhaps Trevor May if he continues to show improved control. The options maybe do not sound pretty, but really, are Pelfrey and Correia that much prettier?
    1. stringer bell's Avatar
      stringer bell -
      Doumit has been my trade chip of choice. I still think the Twins should move him.
    1. ThePuck's Avatar
      ThePuck -
      Anyway, to continue on with the conversation, I'd think Doumit would have some value. Willingham isn't performing up to snuff and is hurt. Not sure we'll be able to move him before the deadline but if we can, we should. I like the idea of letting Carroll go to a contender. We aren't playing him, so why not? I used to be on the trade Morneau bandwagon, but I think I've had my mind changed in here on that. I'd like to see us keep him if the price is right and if not.

      Perkins. There are people who say that we shouldn't bother signing quality people now because we aren't going to be competitive until 2015, 2016 at the earliest and there's all those wasted years, but argue we should keep Perkins, who is only cheap now, but who we likely won't pay to keep when he prices himself out of town. He's only signed through 2015 with a 2016 option, so if we can get a good haul for him, why not trade him?
    1. beardybuddha's Avatar
      beardybuddha -
      I could get more for my broken PS3 and my old Xbox (original) than anything the Twins could get in return for the players above. It's a sad, sad time to be a Twins fan. At least we don't have to worry about contraction again...
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      The Mets and Twins Should Remember Joakim Soria | FanGraphs Baseball

      trade anyone over 29 you get an offer for. And the link reminds us why Perkins should be dealt.
    1. jun's Avatar
      jun -
      Do not trade Plouffe, Perkins or any of the young boys except Parmelee.
    1. DAM DC Twins Fans's Avatar
      DAM DC Twins Fans -
      Quote Originally Posted by beardybuddha View Post
      I could get more for my broken PS3 and my old Xbox (original) than anything the Twins could get in return for the players above. It's a sad, sad time to be a Twins fan. At least we don't have to worry about contraction again...
      On the whole I agree--none of these guys (Morneau, Doumit, Pelfry, Correia, etc.) will give us a good MI or SP or even a top prospect. The exception is Perkins--since he is a lefty and could be brought into specific situations in 8th or 9th innings. Parmalee could also bring decent return, but I wouldn't trade him until I was sure about Sano.
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