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    Buyers or Sellers

    The Tigers are certainly buyers at the trade deadline. They have completely stocked up over the last two seasons to make a World Series run. They acquired and then retained Anibal Sanchez. They added Torii Hunter this offseason. After missing all of 2012, Victor Martinez is back in the middle of their lineup. Their top four starters (Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Doug Fister and Sanchez) are the envy of the rest of the league. Most believed that the Tigers would run away with the AL Central, but at the All-Star break, they have just a 1.5 game lead over Cleveland.



    What they Need

    The Tigers have spent to win in the very short term. They have a powerful lineup, a tremendous starting rotation and a Joaquin Benoit and Drew Smyly have been terrific in the bullpen. However, the back end of the Tigers bullpen has caused a lot of issues. Bruce Rondon showed that despite a 100-mph fastball, he wasn’t ready. Things got so bad they brought back veteran Jose Valverde, only quickly to be reminded why they didn’t bring him back at the start of this year. Phil Coke, Al Albuquerque, Darin Downs and Jose Alvarez all have ERAs over five. Octavio Dotel is on the disabled list. The Tigers can use bullpen help. The only other thing the Tigers may need is be another utility infielder who would play very little.

    What Might Work


    Jamey Carroll’s playing time has been limited enough in the first half that he will become a free agent after the season. Although his numbers this season are well down, his inconsistent playing time may play a role in that.

    If there is a team where Glen Perkins makes a lot of sense, it is the Detroit Tigers. If the Tigers were in any other division, it would make even more sense. Perkins has a terrific contract that any team would be happy to take on. Both teams will be leery about dealing with each other. Obviously, the Tigers want to win now, but they won’t want to see one of their top prospects in a starring role for the Twins against them for the next four to six years. The Twins won’t want to see Glen Perkins coming in for ninth innings against them. So, it would be interesting to see if the two teams can make a major trade. Minor trades are one thing, but blockbusters rarely occur within a division.

    Sleeper Targets


    Dixon Machado - 21 - SS – High A
    Two years ago, I saw Dixon Machado playing in Beloit for West Michigan. I recall thinking that I may not have ever seen such a smooth defender at shortstop. He is 6-0, and he is rail thin, almost Alexei Ramirez-like. However, he doesn’t hit like Ramirez. In 2012 in the Florida State League, he hit just .195 with a .535 OPS. This year, repeating the level, he is hitting .231 with a .558 OPS. He’s not going to hit, but his glove makes him a potential utility infielder.

    Jose Ortega - RHP- AAA
    Ortega is probably in the middle ground of prospects that make him an unlikely candidate to come to the Twins. The hard-throwing right-hander has an impressive 1.47 ERA in AAA right now and has had time with the Tigers. In 30.2 innings this year, he has 33 strikouts… to go with 19 walks. Sound familiar? To me, he sounds a lot like another hard-throwing reliever that the Twins acquired from the Tigers, Lester Oliveros.

    Dream Target

    Nick Castellanos was a supplemental first round pick in 2010 out of high school. The Tigers gave him $3.45 million (about $2 million over slot) to sign. Recently, the Tigers have said that Castellanos could be available in a trade for a top closer. Perkins would certainly fit into that category. Drafted as a third baseman, the 6-4 potential power hitter was moved to outfield a year ago when Miguel Cabrera moved to third base. Because he’s 6-4, he could be a first base option as well if the Twins have enough outfielders. With AAA Toledo, he is hitting .281/.353/.455 with 29 doubles and 12 home runs this year.

    Outfielder Avisail Garcia, who played well for the Tigers in the playoffs last year, is also said to be available. Bruce Rondon throws 100 mph but often without great control. He would also be worth inquiring about. If he’s available, that’s a great arm to consider replacing Glen Perkins with, if that’s the direction the Twins were to go.
    This article was originally published in blog: Trade Talk: Detroit Tigers started by Seth Stohs
    Comments 50 Comments
    1. ALessKosherScott's Avatar
      ALessKosherScott -
      Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
      Back on topic, speakly purely hypothetically, would folks here accept Castellanos and Rondon in exchange for Perkins?
      No. Minor league closers have such a low success rate as prospects, so Rondon is a pretty big risk. You have to really believe in Castellanos' star potential to do it. You're better off getting Castellanos and two deeper prospects. But if the Tigers called, my initial offer would by Smyly and Castellanos.
    1. YourHouseIsMyHouse's Avatar
      YourHouseIsMyHouse -
      There is nothing the Tigers could offer us to get Perkins. Nothing. I wouldn't accept Castellanos from them. I do NOT want Perkins pitching against us and neither do the Twins.
    1. Ozziedavisfan's Avatar
      Ozziedavisfan -
      Quote Originally Posted by YourHouseIsMyHouse View Post
      There is nothing the Tigers could offer us to get Perkins. Nothing. I wouldn't accept Castellanos from them. I do NOT want Perkins pitching against us and neither do the Twins.
      I don't either however hypotheticlly if they were going to trade with the tigers. If I was general manager, which I would demand their top prospect for my closer, which is Castellanos i think. With the tigers the was i see it is that if they see their bullpen as a weakness then perkins is ever some much vauleable to them. One, he only started closing this year, and maybe some last year. so you can put him anywhere in you bullpen. two we don't have to trade him. so to me unless your going to give what we want I'm not going to just give him to you because your asking, and offer me some guys that have some projection.
    1. spycake's Avatar
      spycake -
      Also, if somehow we managed to get Castellanos from Detroit, but we believe our system is already deep at that spot, we could flip him to another team that feels they have an excess of pitchers or infielders. There have been a few big deals in recent years where prospects were flipped quickly.
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
      Also, if somehow we managed to get Castellanos from Detroit, but we believe our system is already deep at that spot, we could flip him to another team that feels they have an excess of pitchers or infielders. There have been a few big deals in recent years where prospects were flipped quickly.
      I can think of Garza/Young and Montero/Pineda. Am I missing others?

      It's still pretty rare to trade prospect-for-prospect, especially good ones.

      I'm not a fan of getting cute and crafting elaborate plans. You go after a guy you need when you need him, end of story. Trying to plot out ten moves in advance often ends up in disaster because something unpredictable happened after move two.
    1. spycake's Avatar
      spycake -
      Brock: you're right, there haven't been a lot of prospect-for-prospect deals.

      The Roy Halladay deal was like this, though -- the Blue Jays got OF Michael Taylor from the Phillies, and immediately flipped him to Oakland for 3B Brett Wallace.

      Earlier this year, in a 3 team deal, Arizona traded P Trevor Bauer and got SS Didi Gregorius.

      Also, I was just thinking of prospects who had been flipped quickly, but not necessarily for other prospects -- Andy Marte was flipped rather quickly in this manner (primarily for OF Coco Crisp, who already had a couple seasons under his belt).
    1. spycake's Avatar
      spycake -
      Additionally, I wasn't suggesting trading for Castellanos and then hoping to set up another deal later. I was thinking arranging something up-front -- a three-way trade like Bauer-Gregorius, or an immediate flip like the Halladay deal.

      I doubt the Twins would be that aggressive -- it will be very surprising if they trade Perkins at all -- but it's another option if one team is aggressive about getting Perkins now, but their offer isn't a great match for the Twins needs.
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
      Additionally, I wasn't suggesting trading for Castellanos and then hoping to set up another deal later. I was thinking arranging something up-front -- a three-way trade like Bauer-Gregorius, or an immediate flip like the Halladay deal.
      This is totally different and something I think more teams should explore. You can really expand your options if you try to get a third team in on the deal.

      Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
      I doubt the Twins would be that aggressive -- it will be very surprising if they trade Perkins at all -- but it's another option if one team is aggressive about getting Perkins now, but their offer isn't a great match for the Twins needs.
      Agreed. While Ryan is a pretty shrewd trade partner, I don't see him actively pursuing a three-way trade.
    1. B Richard's Avatar
      B Richard -
      Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
      Agreed. While Ryan is a pretty shrewd trade partner, I don't see him actively pursuing a three-way trade.
      Yeah, as much of a free spirit as old Terry is, I could think of more willing partners for a three-way.
    1. mudcat14's Avatar
      mudcat14 -
      Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
      Also, if somehow we managed to get Castellanos from Detroit, but we believe our system is already deep at that spot, we could flip him to another team that feels they have an excess of pitchers or infielders. There have been a few big deals in recent years where prospects were flipped quickly.
      I firmly believe that if we could get Castellanos for Perkins, you fall to your knees and thank the maker! At worst he's on par with Arcia, both a rung below Buxton. Plus he's as close to MLB ready as he can be. I'd have no problem at all going into 2014 with Nick, Hicks & Arcia from LF to RF. Let Parmelee, Colabello, Doumit & Willingham slug it out for 1B/DH duties. Clete, Mastro and/or some other ham & egger can handle back-up OF duties. If Sano, Buxton or somebody else starts to push the issue before 2015, what a wonderful dilemma!
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