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  • Ron Gardenhire talks September roster

    On Monday night, Fox Sport North broadcasted the New Britain Rock Cats game, giving Twins fans in the Midwest another glimpse of one of the games top-ranked prospects in Miguel Sano. Sano, who went 0-for-4 with two strikeouts lowering his average to .238, made a nifty play on a slow chopper to nail the runner at first to end a threat early in the game.

    Much has been made about bringing the 20-year-old Sano up to Minnesota this September but the Twins have been steadfast in their development process and not wanting to rush anyone before their time. On Tuesday, Twins manager Ron Gardenhire was on MLB Network Radio radio recently and discussed what his roster could look like come September and it likely does not include Sano.

    Im guessing that probably not, Gardenhire said when asked if Sano would see action in September. I would think that [Terry Ryan] has not totally said no to Sano but I think hes leaning really heavily not doing that move and letting him go home. Hes played a lot of baseball this summer and having him fresh in spring training and see where that takes us.

    Gardenhire continued to say that nothing was out of the question but Ryan will be spending the next four or five days in Rochester trying to make the final decision on which players will be on the roster come September.

    The manager also addressed another question regarding the status of veteran first baseman Justin Morneau, who had cleared waivers last week and is free to be traded to any team.

    Im sure Terry and them have had phone calls and listen, Gardenhire said, but everything Ive heard is that there is money involved and all that and other teams are not wanting to touch money and stuff like that.

    Morneau, 32, is owed approximately $3.5 million for the remainder of the season and other teams are not necessarily interested in obtaining that contract in exchange for a player hitting .261/.316/.418 in 503 plate appearances this year.

    We would do it for Mornie if the opportunity came, said Gardenhire. Im sure Terry would look at it and think about it really seriously, but were also trying to help our ballclub. Were looking for some kind of prospect or something like that that can help our ballclub next year.

    The Twins have not given their fans much reason to watch the club at the seasons conclusion. Dating back to 2011 the Twins have won just 44 of 132 games after July 31 - so any form of excitement to the late season roster would be welcomed.
    Comments 156 Comments
    1. LaBombo's Avatar
      LaBombo -
      Quote Originally Posted by Kwak View Post
      Ryan is just affirming a "tough posture". It may seem to be wrong, but remember when the Twins were winning--and looking for upgrades--no one was cutting the Twins a break! So nuts to them. If they want Morneau, pay up, else finish your season with what they have and wonder "what if?" come November--just like we did!
      Revenge! It's simultaneously the most ridiculous motive I can think of for the Twins not trading veterans for prospects, and yet the most plausible. Well done, and not the facetious kind.
    1. orangevening's Avatar
      orangevening -
      I brought this up in another thread, but what is wrong with bringing Sano and/or Rosario (or even Pinto) up (besides the 40 man issue) in September and sitting them on the bench 80% of the time just to soak up the experince and bring a few more people to the ballpark.? A pinch-hit there, a late game substitute here and at most a spot start once a week.
    1. Mr. Brooks's Avatar
      Mr. Brooks -
      Quote Originally Posted by orangevening View Post
      I brought this up in another thread, but what is wrong with bringing Sano and/or Rosario (or even Pinto) up (besides the 40 man issue) in September and sitting them on the bench 80% of the time just to soak up the experince and bring a few more people to the ballpark.? A pinch-hit there, a late game substitute here and at most a spot start once a week.
      If you are going to bring up Sano, why would you put him on the bench? He'd be our 2nd best hitter immediately.
    1. TheLeviathan's Avatar
      TheLeviathan -
      Quote Originally Posted by drjim View Post
      Could you instead swallow the reality that Morneau has no value? That seems to me to be the relevant point.

      The Twins aren't going to give him away for nothing.
      If Gardy had said: "I heard we didn't have strong suitors". Sure.

      You are stretching to make this about value when Gardy specifically cites money. YOu could say its too second hand....but you are trying to read into it your opinion, not taking the quote as is.
    1. birdwatcher's Avatar
      birdwatcher -
      Quote Originally Posted by jay View Post
      I guess I'm reading that a bit differently also. It's not about the money, it's about actually getting something back of any value. Why pay $3M to not have Morneau on the team and get some no-chance A-level scrub in return?
      That's my read on it too, and that's in line with the comments Jim Pohlad made, which is that it's all about getting an equitable return. He said they have no interest in making moves simply to unload a player or a salary. Now, it could be that Ryan is squeezing a nickel again, but I don't thin it's fair to draw that conclusion based on what's been said. And especially something awkwardly said by Gardy.
    1. birdwatcher's Avatar
      birdwatcher -
      Quote Originally Posted by orangevening View Post
      I brought this up in another thread, but what is wrong with bringing Sano and/or Rosario (or even Pinto) up (besides the 40 man issue) in September and sitting them on the bench 80% of the time just to soak up the experince and bring a few more people to the ballpark.? A pinch-hit there, a late game substitute here and at most a spot start once a week.
      I believe Ryan has said he's inclined to send Sano home to rest up and be ready to go come spring training. He said Sano has played alot of baseball this summer and that the time off would probably be he best thing for him.
    1. RodneyKline's Avatar
      RodneyKline -
      Sano is not ready yet. He can't hit .250 at AA but he is ready for the majors? I don't think so. Hicks hit .280 at AA last season. Prediction: Byron Buxton is the next Rookie of the Year for the Twins.
    1. Mr. Brooks's Avatar
      Mr. Brooks -
      Quote Originally Posted by RodneyKline View Post
      Sano is not ready yet. He can't hit .250 at AA but he is ready for the majors? I don't think so. Hicks hit .280 at AA last season. Prediction: Byron Buxton is the next Rookie of the Year for the Twins.
      I'm sure Sano's unlucky 70 point (from his career) drop in babip has a little bit to do with that AVG. His K/rate and BB/rate are right in line with the rest of his career so far, and he's Slugging .561. What was Hicks slg% in AA?

      He may or may not be ready defensively. If he's not ready offensively, he's pretty damn close. Don't let the AVG fool you, he is destroying AA pitching.

      Even with that supressed AVG, he's 3rd in the Eastern League in OPS.
    1. clutterheart's Avatar
      clutterheart -
      Quote Originally Posted by RodneyKline View Post
      Sano is not ready yet. He can't hit .250 at AA but he is ready for the majors? I don't think so. Hicks hit .280 at AA last season. Prediction: Byron Buxton is the next Rookie of the Year for the Twins.
      Don't forget to look and see that slugging %. Its pretty good

      He's not a contact hitter. He is a power hitter and his BA will be off - especiall in the early years.

      We will see some Strike Outs, ground outs and he will look bad sometimes. But when he connects it will go a long way. If he was on the team today he would hit .200 with 15 HR

      But when he refines his approach Im hoping for 260 with 35 HR. Its going to be a lot of fun!
    1. Kwak's Avatar
      Kwak -
      Quote Originally Posted by clutterheart View Post

      If he was on the team today he would hit .200 with 15 HR

      But when he refines his approach Im hoping for 260 with 35 HR. Its going to be a lot of fun!
      The Twins don't needanother .200 hitter with 15 HR! Let him "refine" for at least another year. His game vs Trenton didn't impress me that "he's ready" at all.
    1. Mr. Brooks's Avatar
      Mr. Brooks -
      Quote Originally Posted by Kwak View Post
      The Twins don't needanother .200 hitter with 15 HR! Let him "refine" for at least another year. His game vs Trenton didn't impress me that "he's ready" at all.
      Now we are using ONE GAME sample sizes?
    1. jorgenswest's Avatar
      jorgenswest -
      If the Twins are going to pay his salary, they need to get a reasonable prospect.

      I doubt there is much interest. It really isn't a lot of money to a team if they thought he would make a significant difference. For Gardy, it may not be completely straight forward, but it is more respectful to Morneau to talk about money rather than talk about the fact that there is little interest in him.
    1. orangevening's Avatar
      orangevening -
      Quote Originally Posted by birdwatcher View Post
      I believe Ryan has said he's inclined to send Sano home to rest up and be ready to go come spring training. He said Sano has played alot of baseball this summer and that the time off would probably be he best thing for him.
      Yes, I read that too. That's why I didn't say "bring them up and play them everyday".
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      Funny, when I suggested they'd probably have Buxton take the winter off, everyone said I was crazy....now it makes sense for an older guy, who is used to the long grind, take time off?

      I do agree, Sano and Buxton could probably use some time off. Makes sense to me, frankly.
    1. Major Leauge Ready's Avatar
      Major Leauge Ready -
      Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
      If Gardy had said: "I heard we didn't have strong suitors". Sure.

      You are stretching to make this about value when Gardy specifically cites money. YOu could say its too second hand....but you are trying to read into it your opinion, not taking the quote as is.
      Actually, there is not enough information provided to make intelligent commentary on either side of this debate. Reminds me of politics. Democrats and both blame each other for everything they possibly can. In this case, the management haters take a crum of information and spin it into incompetance or that Ryan is cheap. If it was all about money, he would just dump Morneau for a guy that will never make it above high-A. There has to be a team that would take him and his salary if they did not have to give up a prospects with a chance to play at the ML level.
    1. Mr. Brooks's Avatar
      Mr. Brooks -
      Quote Originally Posted by Major Leauge Ready View Post
      Actually, there is not enough information provided to make intelligent commentary on either side of this debate. Reminds me of politics. Democrats and both blame each other for everything they possibly can. In this case, the management haters take a crum of information and spin it into incompetance or that Ryan is cheap. If it was all about money, he would just dump Morneau for a guy that will never make it above high-A. There has to be a team that would take him and his salary if they did not have to give up a prospects with a chance to play at the ML level.
      Nobody is willing to do that, hence him clearing waivers.
    1. ThePuck's Avatar
      ThePuck -
      Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
      Funny, when I suggested they'd probably have Buxton take the winter off, everyone said I was crazy....now it makes sense for an older guy, who is used to the long grind, take time off?

      I do agree, Sano and Buxton could probably use some time off. Makes sense to me, frankly.
      There's like a 7 month difference in ages between Sano and Buxton :-)
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      My point was more about the grind of baseball, but ya, oooops.
    1. ThePuck's Avatar
      ThePuck -
      Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
      My point was more about the grind of baseball, but ya, oooops.
      just joking with you, buddy...I got your point :-)
    1. TheLeviathan's Avatar
      TheLeviathan -
      Quote Originally Posted by Major Leauge Ready View Post
      Actually, there is not enough information provided to make intelligent commentary on either side of this debate. Reminds me of politics. Democrats and both blame each other for everything they possibly can. In this case, the management haters take a crum of information and spin it into incompetance or that Ryan is cheap. If it was all about money, he would just dump Morneau for a guy that will never make it above high-A. There has to be a team that would take him and his salary if they did not have to give up a prospects with a chance to play at the ML level.
      As has been pointed out, he cleared waivers so the entire premise of your counter argument is false.

      If Gardy had said the reverse and people were reading into this about money...the same people defending this would have a conniption. As I said earlier....it's unsettling that a major figure in the organization thinks money is the reason he wasn't dealt. Doesn't prove anything, but it's unsettling.
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