• Twins Trade Justin Morneau To Pirates

    The Minnesota Twins have announced they have traded Justin Morneau to the Pittsburgh Pirates for outfielder Alex Presley and a player to be named later who was later identified as reliever Duke Welker.

    Morneau, who was drafted by the Twins in 1999, moved into 3rd place on the Twins all-time home run list just last night when he passed Tony Oliva with his 221st career blast. It also provided the deciding run in a 3-2 win over the Texas Rangers. If he does not return to the Twins, he will also rank high on the Twins leaderboard, including slugging percentage (4th - .485), RBI (5th - 860) and extra-base hits (5th - 526). He will almost certainly become a member of the Twins Hall of Fame when he is eligible.

    Morneau had been the subject of trade rumors for months as he was becoming a free agent at the end of the year and had the second highest salary on the non-contending ballclub. The Pirates have agreed as part of the trade to pay the approximate $2.3M he will still make this year.

    The initial player who was announced was Alex Presley, a 27-year-old outfielder who has bounced between AAA and the Pirates for the last four years. During that time, he's hit .261 with a .718 OPS over 699 plate appearances while mostly playing corner outfield spots. He's had considerably more success in AAA, where he posted an 837 OPS while playing mostly in centerfield. As a left-handed hitter, he profiles as a player similar to, albeit a slight upgrade to, Clete Thomas.

    Later, the second player, Duke Welker, was announced. Welker is also 27 years old and serves as the closer for the Pirates AAA affiliate. This year he struck out 64 batters in 61 innings with a 3.25 ERA and a 1.279 WHIP. He profiles as a serviceable right-handed reliever.
    Comments 319 Comments
    1. gunnarthor's Avatar
      gunnarthor -
      Does anyone know how PTBNL works? Can it be stacked based on how Morneau plays? So if he hits like it's 2010 for the next 6 weeks they get a better player and if he hits like it's 2011 (or gets injured) it's cash? Or do both sides already know the player but can't mention him until his tradeable?
    1. The Greatest Poster Alive's Avatar
      The Greatest Poster Alive -
      IMO we have to wait for the PTBNL to judge this trade.

      If you look at the PTBNL Butera brought in, it's possible there's a talented player coming the Twins way, but the Pirates in exchange for giving up a prospect wanted protection in the event that Morneau got a concussion or other injury (A very reasonable thing to ask for with Morneau's recent history)

      It's also important to note, that while we as Twins fans love the memory of what Morneau was, no GM is going to pay for past performance. The Pirates GM pay for a month of Morneau's services + playoffs. The market for that isn't stunning.
    1. Oldgoat_MN's Avatar
      Oldgoat_MN -
      Quote Originally Posted by Halsey Hall View Post
      Suddenly 100 losses looks much more possible.
      I'm happy for Justin, but I fear you are right.
    1. John Bonnes's Avatar
      John Bonnes -
      You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?r=...eau-To-Pirates
    1. howeda7's Avatar
      howeda7 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Oldgoat_MN View Post
      I'm happy for Justin, but I fear you are right.
      You guys realize we'd have to go like 5-24 for that to happen, right?
    1. Teflon's Avatar
      Teflon -
      I wonder how much Presley is going to offer Mauer to give up the #7?

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    1. howeda7's Avatar
      howeda7 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Halsey Hall View Post
      Perhaps Willingham is gone by tommorrow also.
      Willingham could no longer be traded after noon yesterday.
    1. spycake's Avatar
      spycake -
      Max salary cut rules only apply to pre- free agency players. Not Morneau.

      Although as another noted, Morneau is now unable to get 10-and-5 no-trade protection next year.
    1. pierre75275's Avatar
      pierre75275 -
      I wonder who is on the PTNL list? And if it depends on Morneaus play. Oh well..at least Morneau makes the playoffs and the twins now have a real chance to pick third next June. I really hope Morneau signs back with twins in the offseason
    1. Teflon's Avatar
      Teflon -
      Can Presley pitch?
    1. twinkies3's Avatar
      twinkies3 -
      This is painful to watch. I sure hope Ryan knows what he is doing. I feel like a guy hitting like Morneau has the past few months would warrant something better than an old, crappy OF.
      Go Pirates and I would love to see Morneau back since Parmalee is clearly not the answer.
    1. jay's Avatar
      jay -
      I was hoping to see the same folks that were advocating we had to trade Justin (and/or Doumit/Willingham) because 'something is better than nothing' in here defending the currently lackluster return. The salary dump comments are silly.

      The only positive here so far is a chance to see Colabello and maybe Parmelee, but I'd have to agree with others that the PR hit isn't worth it. Perhaps Justin told the team he'd be happy to go join a playoff team and they were trying to accommodate that, but I find that unlikely.
    1. joeboo_22's Avatar
      joeboo_22 -
      Trading him is the right move, he deserves the right to play for a playoff contender and will help the Pirates down the stretch. The issue I have is the Twins trade him for nothing but were demanding a top prospect for Willingham if you are going to sell, sell everyone. Doumit, relief pitchers, anyone who can return a bucket of practice balls
    1. Oldgoat_MN's Avatar
      Oldgoat_MN -
      Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
      You guys realize we'd have to go like 5-24 for that to happen, right?
      Actually it's 4-25.
      Not going to happen, but as much grief as Justin gets on these boards, he is all that keeps us from a loss from time to time.

      The '100 losses' is a metaphor. You are correct, of course. It won't happen.
    1. spycake's Avatar
      spycake -
      It would be fascinating to see the PTBNL process behind the scenes.

      Interesting that Pittsburgh is apparently paying the full salary. They obviously could have claimed him on waivers for that, but perhaps the Twins high demands at the time scared them off -- they basically figured the Twins would just pull him back and they couldn't get him for any price. Only by NOT claiming him were they able to obtain him. Bit of a baseball paradox.
    1. strumdatjag's Avatar
      strumdatjag -
      Willingham is here for the rest of the season, since no deal with the Orioles could be negotiated. The Twins should go next year with Mauer at First Base, and catcher (starter and backup) should be a Spring Training Competition (Pinto, Herrman and Doumit). First Base is now open for Mauer!
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by gunnarthor View Post
      Well, Pressley's got to be a better LF than Doumit or Herrmann, right?
      ....or Arcia, or Willingham?
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
      You guys realize we'd have to go like 5-24 for that to happen, right?
      Hey, this crew is more than capable of doing the seemingly impossible. Our recent W-L September history suggests it can be done. We usually have to wait around once a week or so for a great game like last night's turned out to be, that might very well turn out to be the last "watchable" game of the year.
    1. jay's Avatar
      jay -
      Quote Originally Posted by twinkies3 View Post
      I feel like a guy hitting like Morneau has the past few months would warrant something better than an old, crappy OF.
      Hit like what exactly the past few months? He's .230/.282/.467 since the All-Star break. His .741 OPS on the season ranks 23rd of 27 qualified first basemen.
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by Oldgoat_MN View Post
      Actually it's 4-25.
      Not going to happen, but as much grief as Justin gets on these boards, he is all that keeps us from a loss from time to time.

      The '100 losses' is a metaphor. You are correct, of course. It won't happen.
      I am most pleased that Justin could go out on such a feel-good high note. That moonshot last night was vintage Morneau, and the game winner against one of baseball's very best pitchers.
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