• Twins Trade Justin Morneau To Pirates

    The Minnesota Twins have announced they have traded Justin Morneau to the Pittsburgh Pirates for outfielder Alex Presley and a player to be named later who was later identified as reliever Duke Welker.

    Morneau, who was drafted by the Twins in 1999, moved into 3rd place on the Twins all-time home run list just last night when he passed Tony Oliva with his 221st career blast. It also provided the deciding run in a 3-2 win over the Texas Rangers. If he does not return to the Twins, he will also rank high on the Twins leaderboard, including slugging percentage (4th - .485), RBI (5th - 860) and extra-base hits (5th - 526). He will almost certainly become a member of the Twins Hall of Fame when he is eligible.

    Morneau had been the subject of trade rumors for months as he was becoming a free agent at the end of the year and had the second highest salary on the non-contending ballclub. The Pirates have agreed as part of the trade to pay the approximate $2.3M he will still make this year.

    The initial player who was announced was Alex Presley, a 27-year-old outfielder who has bounced between AAA and the Pirates for the last four years. During that time, he's hit .261 with a .718 OPS over 699 plate appearances while mostly playing corner outfield spots. He's had considerably more success in AAA, where he posted an 837 OPS while playing mostly in centerfield. As a left-handed hitter, he profiles as a player similar to, albeit a slight upgrade to, Clete Thomas.

    Later, the second player, Duke Welker, was announced. Welker is also 27 years old and serves as the closer for the Pirates AAA affiliate. This year he struck out 64 batters in 61 innings with a 3.25 ERA and a 1.279 WHIP. He profiles as a serviceable right-handed reliever.
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    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by old nurse View Post
      Don't think it is a joke. Ryan must not like what he was getting out of his 5th outfielder
      Which 5th outfielder would that be exactly?
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
      When this is all the return you get, it's not worth the PR hit.
      What PR hit? For the average fan, the season ended this weekend and they only begin paying attention again come next April.
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by PseudoSABR View Post
      Meh. I would have rather just kept him.
      To what end?
    1. jay's Avatar
      jay -
      Presley: Perhaps, similar to the last player that came from the Pirates, he's better than his numbers?
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by PseudoSABR View Post
      Jon HeymanVerified account ‏@JonHeymanCBS deal will be Morneau for alex presley plus a player to be named OR cash. #twins #pirates
      My money's on the Twins getting the "Cash, Homey!"
    1. spycake's Avatar
      spycake -
      Quote Originally Posted by The Greatest Poster Alive View Post
      He doesn't care what you people think
      What do you mean, "you people"?
    1. jay's Avatar
      jay -
      Quote Originally Posted by The Greatest Poster Alive View Post
      The best PR move the Twins can make is put a contender on the field as fast as possible. If JR believes that making this deal makes that happen faster, he'd be a fool to worry about fan reaction.
      Please note that I do agree with the general sentiment/concept of your post, but I don't think it's relevant here. Exactly what part of this trade is going to make the Twins a contender? I think you're making a leap both there and in trying to draw correlations to the Wild. None of those moves have been along similar lines to this.
    1. Hosken Bombo Disco's Avatar
      Hosken Bombo Disco -
      Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
      What PR hit? For the average fan, the season ended this weekend and they only begin paying attention again come next April.
      This is absolutely a PR hit.

      Morneau was one of the critical pieces of the Twins success in the last decade. This has been his only organization. He wanted to sign an extension with the Twins but Terry Ryan wasn't interested. Morneau knows he's at the end and willing to take a pay cut. Morneau and Mauer were best buds. Without Morneau, there likely would not have been the championships.

      "We believe in continuity and stability and loyalty," Ryan said. "The Pohlad family has always believed in that approach."

      That's what Ryan said in the Pioneer Press in July.

      Now, Ryan trades one of the greatest Twins ever for a minor league outfielder.
    1. Hosken Bombo Disco's Avatar
      Hosken Bombo Disco -
      Happy for Morneau - go Bucks!!
    1. Jeremy Nygaard's Avatar
      Jeremy Nygaard -
      I think Presley will be the name that is of lesser significance when this is said and done. The PTBN is almost certainly on the 40-man. The Pirates will probably try to run a lot of the younger (still in minor league) pitchers through trade waivers. If the guy the Twins want clears, they'll get him. If not, it will be completed after the season.

      Some names to remember: Andy Oliver (former Tiger and Twin draftee, lefty, 25), Brandon Cumpton (24) and Kyle McPherson (25, rising prospect before undergoing TJ and missing the season).

      That's only a couple of the (at least) half-dozen names.
    1. howeda7's Avatar
      howeda7 -
      Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
      What PR hit? For the average fan, the season ended this weekend and they only begin paying attention again come next April.
      Shoot me for saying this since it usually a cesspool, but go read the comments on the Strib blog announcing the trade. I think it's indicative of 'Joe fan' reaction. To the average fan, this is more proof that the Pohlads are cheap SOB's doing a salary dump. One stating it 'cemented' his non-renewing next year. I'll grant you they could be getting the #2 prospect in the Pirates system, and you'd get the same reaction, but at least it would be worth it.

      No they wouldn't 'gain' any PR by letting him play the season out. But they lose badly on PR making this trade, and are getting nothing of value for doing so.
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
      From a purely baseball prospective, trading him for anything was right. But this wasn't Mike Pelfrey or Jamey Carroll. If all you're going to get is garbage and salary relief, it's not worth the bad PR of trading a former-MVP and the second-most popular player on the team. A case where Dave St. Peter should over-rule Terry Ryan, essentially.
      Why would DSP cut into his year-end bonus pool?
    1. howeda7's Avatar
      howeda7 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Nygaard View Post
      I think Presley will be the name that is of lesser significance when this is said and done. The PTBN is almost certainly on the 40-man. The Pirates will probably try to run a lot of the younger (still in minor league) pitchers through trade waivers. If the guy the Twins want clears, they'll get him. If not, it will be completed after the season.

      Some names to remember: Andy Oliver (former Tiger and Twin draftee, lefty, 25), Brandon Cumpton (24) and Kyle McPherson (25, rising prospect before undergoing TJ and missing the season).

      That's only a couple of the (at least) half-dozen names.
      I suspect it's a 'PTBNL or cash' in the same sense it was for Jamey Caroll. It'll be cash.
    1. The Greatest Poster Alive's Avatar
      The Greatest Poster Alive -
      Quote Originally Posted by jay View Post
      Please note that I do agree with the general sentiment/concept of your post, but I don't think it's relevant here. Exactly what part of this trade is going to make the Twins a contender? I think you're making a leap both there and in trying to draw correlations to the Wild. None of those moves have been along similar lines to this.
      The PTBNL could be a prospect that helps the team in the near future, maybe a reliever close to the majors for all we know. The money saved could be instrumental in tipping the scales in the Twins favor for a free agent next year, or enough to entice the Cuban SS Alexandar Guerrero to come to Minnesota.

      Or the money could help the Pohlad's pay their back taxes. The point is we just don't know... and to be worried about a PR hit seems silly.
    1. The Greatest Poster Alive's Avatar
      The Greatest Poster Alive -
      Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
      Shoot me for saying this since it usually a cesspool, but go read the comments on the Strib blog announcing the trade. I think it's indicative of 'Joe fan' reaction. To the average fan, this is more proof that the Pohlads are cheap SOB's doing a salary dump. One stating it 'cemented' his non-renewing next year. I'll grant you they could be getting the #2 prospect in the Pirates system, and you'd get the same reaction, but at least it would be worth it.

      No they wouldn't 'gain' any PR by letting him play the season out. But they lose badly on PR making this trade, and are getting nothing of value for doing so.
      the online equivalent of my favorite common man overplayed soundbyte. "I'M PULLIN MY TICKETS!"

      that guy's decision on his tickets was made well before this move.
    1. The Greatest Poster Alive's Avatar
      The Greatest Poster Alive -
      Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
      I suspect it's a 'PTBNL or cash' in the same sense it was for Jamey Caroll. It'll be cash.
      And I suspect it's Andrew McCutchen.
    1. 70charger's Avatar
      70charger -
      Three things (that I imagine have already been mentioned since I'm late to this party):

      1. No more 10 and 5 rights.

      2. No more minimum salary based on this year's salary for a resign.

      3. Now that it's September, we get to see some minor leaguers (cool), and if they lose more games then, hey, awesome draft pick.

      I like it. I just hope he's only a Pirate for weeks, not for any longer than that.
    1. SpiritofVodkaDave's Avatar
      SpiritofVodkaDave -
      You guys are the worst lol, everyone is clamoring for the twins to trade morneau, they finally do and everyone hates it.

      The fact that nobody claimed morneau in the first place shows what was his true trade value. Who knows, maybe the PTBNL will be halfway decent like before?

      It's not like Ryan had a ton of options or anything....
    1. howeda7's Avatar
      howeda7 -
      Quote Originally Posted by The Greatest Poster Alive View Post
      And I suspect it's Andrew McCutchen.
      Sweet. Great trade then, Terry. Assuming you're wrong, it wasn't worth the PR hit for a 28-year old OF'er, whether angry ticket guy already made his mind up or not.
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by Hosken Bombo Disco View Post
      This is absolutely a PR hit.

      Morneau was one of the critical pieces of the Twins success in the last decade. This has been his only organization. He wanted to sign an extension with the Twins but Terry Ryan wasn't interested. Morneau knows he's at the end and willing to take a pay cut. Morneau and Mauer were best buds. Without Morneau, there likely would not have been the championships.

      "We believe in continuity and stability and loyalty," Ryan said. "The Pohlad family has always believed in that approach."

      That's what Ryan said in the Pioneer Press in July.

      Now, Ryan trades one of the greatest Twins ever for a minor league outfielder.
      Can you honestly say it will negatively affect your consuming habits relative to the Twins? Everything you pointed out was accurate but way in the past, you can't run a business and hope to remain competitive solely on nostalgia. And cheer up, the door hasn't been closed, if Justin was sincere and would be willing to come back at a steep discount (The Twins, if they retained him, could only make an offer to cut his salary by 20% before he entered the FA market), TR, with a much better price tag on Justin's services relative to his production, and more optimal control of flexibility within Morneau's contract, will almost certainly accommodate him.
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