• All Former Twins Team - 2013

    David Ortiz hit the big ALCS grand slam that was nearly caught by a toppling Torii Hunter. It was a reminder of how many former Twins players had strong 2013 seasons. Each of the four remaining teams have at least one former Twins player.

    Very little annoys me more than people complaining about former Twins players succeeding with other organizations, forgetting the back stories when they left the Twins. Sure, letting David Ortiz go looks horrible in retrospect, but at the time it was a ho-hum decision. Seeing AJ Pierzynski still playing and contributing bothers some, yet who did the Twins get in that trade?

    Torii Hunter? Yes, he has defied the normal aging process and been very good. There are bad losses in this group. Everyone loved the Carlos Gomez for JJ Hardy trade, and no one understood (or understands) what the thinking was when the Twins traded JJ Hardy for Jim HJoey and Brett Jacobson. And, the Wilson Ramos for Matt Capps deal… Yeah. I think we all know the reasoning behind Joe Nathan and Michael Cuddyer leaving the Twins organization, but come on, no one was disappointed when the Twins let RA Dickey go.

    Hindsight is a beautiful thing. No question. But, I enjoyed all of these former Twins players during their time in Minnesota, and there’s no reason not to enjoy their continued success. But maybe I’m in the minority and I should just be bitter. Maybe?

    Here is a look at some of the top performances by former Twins in the big leagues in 2013!

    THE CATCHERS


    AJ Pierzynski ($7.5M) – Texas Rangers - .272/.297/.425 (.722) with 24 doubles, 17 homers and 70 RBI.

    Wilson Ramos ($0.5M) – Washington Nationals - .272/.307/.380 (.717) with 9 doubles, 16 homers and 59 RBI.

    A pretty nice lefty-righty platoon opportunity. Sure, neither gets on base, but both do show some power. Pierzynski was traded way back before the 2004 season to the Giants. Ramos was traded during the 2009 season to the Nationals.

    THE INFIELDERS/DHs


    David Ortiz ($14M) – Boston Red Sox - .309/.395/.564 (.959) with 38 doubles, 30 homers and 103 RBI.

    Garrett Jones ($4.5M) – Pittsburgh Pirates - .233/.289/.419 (.708) with 26 doubles, 15 homers and 51 RBI.

    JJ Hardy ($7M) – Baltimore Orioles - .263/.306/.433 (.738) with 27 doubles, 25 homers and 76 RBI.

    Nick Punto ($1.5M) – Los Angeles Dodgers - .255/.328/.327 (.655) with 15 doubles, 2 homers and 21 RBI.

    Danny Valencia ($0.5M) – Baltimore Orioles - .304/.335/.553 (.888) with 14 doubles, 8 homers and 23 RBI.

    Ortiz miraculously has had another spectacular season. The Twins non-tendered him more than a decade ago and no other teams claimed him. Boston decided to give him a chance in spring training. The rest is, as they say, is documented in various reports. Garrett Jones never really had a chance with the Twins since Jason Kubel was the DH, Justin Morneau was at 1B, Michael Cuddyer was in RF and Delmon Young was in LF. He had some good years with the Pirates, though not this year. Hardy had his injury-plagued season with the Twins and I’m sure they’d love to have given him another shot. Punto remains one of baseball’s better fielders. He played all over that Dodgers infield this year. Valencia was up and down between AAA and the big leagues, but was given a chance to play against left-handed pitching and came through.



    THE OUTFIELDERS


    Michael Cuddyer ($10.5M) – Colorado Rockies - .331/.389/.530 (.919) with 31 doubles, 20 homers and 84 RBI.

    Torii Hunter ($12M) – Detroit Tigers - .304/.334/.465 (.800) with 37 doubles, 17 homers and 84 RBI.

    Carlos Gomez ($4.3M) – Milwaukee Brewers - .284/.338/.500 (.843) with 27 doubles, 10 triples, 24 homers, 73 RBI, 40 SB.

    Denard Span ($4.75M) – Washington Nationals - .279/.327/.380 (.707) with 28 doubles, 11 triples, 4 homers, 47 RBI, 20 SB.

    Ben Revere ($0.515M) – Philadelphia Phillies - .305/.338/.352 (.691) with 9 doubles, 3 triples, 0 homers and 17 RBI.

    Delmon Young ($1.2M) – Phillies/Rays - .260/.307/.407 (.715) with 16 doubles, 11 homers and 38 RBI.

    I think it’s fair to say some of these former Twins outfielders came through with big seasons. Cuddyer was healthy and won the NL batting title. Hunter continues to defy the aging process and hit well with Miguel Cabrera and Prince Fielder batting behind him. Gomez has finally put it all together, all those tremendous tools. He has become the five-tool talent the Twins acquired from the Mets but didn’t see. Denard Span had a solid inaugural season with the Nationals, though it’s fair to assume he’ll want a higher on-base percentage. He did a great job of patrolling the team’s outfield, with no errors on the season. Revere got off to a very slow start in Philly, but after losing some playing time he took off, and as things were getting really good, he unfortunately broke his foot and missed the rest of the season. Delmon Young wasn’t very good, but did show some power. The Phillies DFAd him, and he re-signed with the Rays.



    THE STARTERS


    Francisco Liriano ($1M + up to $3.75M in incentives) – Pittsburgh Pirates – 16-8, 3.02 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 3.5 BB/9, 9.1 K/9

    Kyle Lohse ($11M) – Milwaukee Brewers – 11-10, 3.35 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 1.6 BB/9, 5.7 K/9

    RA Dickey ($5.5M) – Toronto Blue Jays – 14-13, 4.21 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 2.8 BB/9, 7.1 K/9

    Matt Garza ($10.25M) – Cubs/Rangers – 10-6, 3.82 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 2.4 BB/9, 7.9 K/9

    Jason Marquis ($3M) – San Diego Padres – 9-5, 4.65 ERA, 1.52 WHIP, 5.2 BB/9, 5.5 K/9

    It is fair to say Liriano exceeded all expectations in 2013 with the Pirates. Of course, we’ve seen this before. Liriano put up very similar numbers in 2010, so it will be interesting to see if Liriano has truly flipped a switch or if he’s only having another good year. Of course, he was set to make much more money but it got reduced when he hurt his right arm scaring his kids. Lohse signed late but he proved worth the contract, at least in its first year. Dickey came back down to earth a bit with his move to the American League, but he still ate a ton of innings. Garza has been really solid since coming up with the Twins in 2006, but he is yet to take that next step to be an ace, yet.

    THE RELIEVERS


    Joe Nathan ($7M) – Texas Rangers – 6-2, 43 Saves, 1.39 ERA, 0.90 WHIP, 3.1 BB/9, 10.2 K/9

    Grant Balfour ($4.5M) – Oakland A’s – 1-3, 38 Saves, 2.59 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 3.9 BB/9, 10.3 K/9

    Craig Breslow ($2.325M) – Boston Red Sox – 5-2, 1.81 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 2.7 BB/9, 5.0 K/9

    Jesse Crain ($4.5M) – Chicago White Sox – 2-3, 0.74 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 2.7 BB/9, 11.3 K/9

    LaTroy Hawkins ($1M) – NY Mets – 3-2, 2.93 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 1.3 BB/9, 7.0 K/9

    Pat Neshek ($0.975M) – Oakland A’s – 2-1, 3.35 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 3.3 BB/9, 6.5 K/9

    Matt Guerrier ($3.75M) – Dodgers/Cubs – 4-4, 4.01 ERA, 1.41 WHIP, 3.6 BB/9, 6.3 K/9

    Joe Nathan has completely recovered from his Tommy John surgery to be just as good as he was when he was younger. Balfour was hurt often during his time with the Twins. He had Tommy John surgery and shoulder surgery within a two year period. But he has come back strong, ten years later, and become an intimidating closer. Breslow has been one of baseball’s best left-handed relievers since his days with the Twins. Crain figured out something in May of 2010 and he has been as good as any reliever in the game since then. He did miss the final three months of this season with shoulder problems. LaTroy Hawkins is another guy who defies age. He had his best season in years in 2013!
    ALL FORMER TWINS LINEUP

    Denard Span LF ($4.75M)
    Carlos Gomez CF ($4.3M)
    Michael Cuddyer 1B ($10.5M)
    David Ortiz DH ($14M)
    Torii Hunter RF ($12M)
    JJ Hardy SS ($7M)
    Danny Valencia 3B ($0.5M)
    AJ Pierzynski C ($7.5M)
    Nick Punto 2B ($1.5M)

    Francisco Liriano SP ($1M)

    Closer – Joe Nathan ($7M); RH Set-Up – Jesse Crain ($4.5M); LH Set-Up – Craig Breslow $2.325M).

    Total salaries ($76.875 million) for 13 players.
    Total salaries for the 25 player roster mentioned above? $123.565.


    That’s a pretty impressive roster. I didn’t include Justin Morneau since he was only gone for a month. I didn’t include Jason Kubel, who made $7.5 million in 2013 and played horribly after a tremendous 2012 season. It didn’t include the $5 million that the Cubs gave to Scott Baker for three starts and 15 innings. It didn’t include Philip Humber, who went 0-8 with a 7.90 ERA before being DFAd by the Astros.

    It’s fun for me to see former Twins players sticking around and being very successful with other organizations. There have been plenty to follow!
    This article was originally published in blog: All Former Twins Team - 2013 started by Seth Stohs
    Comments 9 Comments
    1. spoofbonser's Avatar
      spoofbonser -
      Nice collection of information, though I think the "back stories" that you included are incomplete.

      David, Ortiz "The Twins non-tendered him more than a decade ago and no other teams claimed him."

      He had the 5th highest OPS by the age 26 season of any Twin in history. No other team "claiming him," doesn't let the Twins off the hook. They misjudged his talent which was under their noses and under their contracts.

      "Hardy had his injury-plagued season with the Twins and I’m sure they’d love to have given him another shot. "

      They could have given him another shot, he was under contract, remember? It was a bone-headed trade, don't try and justify it for the Twins.

      I'm not saying the Twins have botched roster moves without reason, but let's not ignore the fact that they have long been making some decisions based on factors devoid of a talent-based approach, see "good clubhouse guys," "staying on the field," "playing the game the Twins way." Money plays into the equation and you can't blame them for letting guys walk for a big payday, but not everyone not named M&M needs to get locked down and paid elsewhere. Making decisions based on being a good guy isn't going to win you games. Making decisions based on injury history which doesn't accurately predict future injury isn't going to win you games.
    1. Seth Stohs's Avatar
      Seth Stohs -
      I would say that the Twins would love to have given Hardy another shot in retrospect. I think that would be a fair statement. It's not making an excuse for trading him. It's saying, in retrospect, it would have been better to keep him.

      As for Ortiz, it's just such an old story from so long ago.

      David, Ortiz "The Twins non-tendered him more than a decade ago and no other teams claimed him."
      I would say that sentence is 100% accurate. Of course, at this point, it's easy to say they should have locked him up. But again, it wasn't just the Twins that missed on that, it was all 30 teams. Ortiz waited until spring training to get a deal with Boston. Everyone could have evaluated differently. I'd also bet anything that the Red Sox didn't know what they were getting either. In fact, weren't they bringing him in to compete with Jeremy Giambi?

      Oh, and Scott Baker and Michael Cuddyer were good guys that they let go, so using that as the reasoning that the Twins bring guys back or not isn't fair.
    1. ND-Fan's Avatar
      ND-Fan -
      That would be fine if it were not for how Twins performed. The Twins have very few players from other organizations that have performed well past couple of seasons. Then if you look at talent that has come up from farm system the last couple of years and this is why were looking at the talent that has left the Twins. This is suppose to change with farm system the twins have but I still think were couple of years removed yet until we see where the team on field has talent and ability to compete with upper tier of teams. Everyone thinks this is going to change quickly but it takes time for young talent to learn to win and compete. Go back to early 80's when Hrbecks, Gaietti, viola and Brunansky came up took them nearly 5 years to build into a winner. Same thing in 90's and I bet this will be same with this prospect potential we have now. I think the Twins could have sped this process in past two years if they had signed some quality free agent pitching and some strenghth up the middle. I would not be surpriced it will be 3 or 4 years before we see a 500 hundred team.
    1. Rosterman's Avatar
      Rosterman -
      Always interesting the Fringe Twins that played this past season.

      Of course Scott Baker threw 15 innings. 4BB/6K.
      Phil Humber would've fit into the rotation of the 2013 Twins perfectly, going 0-8 7.98 ERA 1.728 55 inning, 20BB 36 K for the Astros
      Kevin Slowey was 3-6 4.11 in 92 innings 18BB 76K 1.218 for the Marlins

      Out of the Bullpen:
      Alex Burnett went from the Twins to the Jays to the Cubs to the Orioles. He did manage 2.1 innings with 2Ks and 11.57 ERA (3.000 WHIP)
      Jon Rauch was 1-2 7.56 1.800 15 innings 7BB 3K for Miami. Pitched 10 innings for Orioles AAA.
      Matt Capps pitched at AAA for Cleveland and was injured most of the season.
      Ramon Ortiz was 1-2 6.04 1.776 for 25 innings 11 BB 8 K then disabled for season with the Jays
      Luis Ayala was 2-1 3.27 1.545 WHIP 33 innings 12 BB 32 Ks for Orioles and Braves.
      Jose Mijares was 0-3 4.22 1.776 in 49 innings 20BB 54K for the Giants.

      If we want to complain about backup Butera, who got 7 ABS for the Dodgers 1.43 across the board. Corky Miller resurfaced fo the Reds getting 35 ABs and doing 257/366/400. Rene Rivera, ticked because he didn't get a callup last September, got 71 ABS for San Diego and was 254/260/328. Somehow Henry Blanco got 134 at bats with Seattle and Toronto batting 142/228/246.

      Morneau did absolutely nothing for Pittsburgh, which makes for an interesting off-season to see who pays him what. 77 ABS for the wild-card champs and 260/370/312.

      Alex Casilla was over in the all-Twins infield, it seems, at Baltimore. He got 112 at bats and hit 214/268/295. He stole 9 bases.

      Brandon Harris got 107 at bats for the Angels, making the roster out of spring training, and dazzled with a 206/252/355. Spent time at AAA Texas and Yankees.
      Janey Carroll did nothing for KC 111/190/194 in 36 ABs.

      Minor interest in:
      Matt Carson, 11 at bats for the Indians pennant run 636/692/909 and Darnell McDonald, who got time with the Cubs 302/351/434 in 57 ABs.
    1. Rosterman's Avatar
      Rosterman -
      The Twins feared what Hardy might ask in arbitration, and he ended up signing a sweetheart deal with the Orioles and may re-up for a similar amount, which isn't bad. At some point, the Twins have to not think hometown discounts and what a player demand and play the market for what players may be worth and then just deal with it. If anyone can figure out the Pelfry deal, let me know. Why the Twins were afraid to pay Ortiz a million is beyond me, still. Yet why do we pay millions to Punto who is happy making a million elsewhere. The whole system is screwed up. Sign players, swap players, keep players, draft players, trade players away....there is no right or wrong.
    1. Thrylos's Avatar
      Thrylos -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rosterman View Post
      Always interesting the Fringe Twins that played this past season.

      Of course Scott Baker threw 15 innings. 4BB/6K.
      Phil Humber would've fit into the rotation of the 2013 Twins perfectly, going 0-8 7.98 ERA 1.728 55 inning, 20BB 36 K for the Astros
      Kevin Slowey was 3-6 4.11 in 92 innings 18BB 76K 1.218 for the Marlins

      Out of the Bullpen:
      Alex Burnett went from the Twins to the Jays to the Cubs to the Orioles. He did manage 2.1 innings with 2Ks and 11.57 ERA (3.000 WHIP)
      Jon Rauch was 1-2 7.56 1.800 15 innings 7BB 3K for Miami. Pitched 10 innings for Orioles AAA.
      Matt Capps pitched at AAA for Cleveland and was injured most of the season.
      Ramon Ortiz was 1-2 6.04 1.776 for 25 innings 11 BB 8 K then disabled for season with the Jays
      Luis Ayala was 2-1 3.27 1.545 WHIP 33 innings 12 BB 32 Ks for Orioles and Braves.
      Jose Mijares was 0-3 4.22 1.776 in 49 innings 20BB 54K for the Giants.

      If we want to complain about backup Butera, who got 7 ABS for the Dodgers 1.43 across the board. Corky Miller resurfaced fo the Reds getting 35 ABs and doing 257/366/400. Rene Rivera, ticked because he didn't get a callup last September, got 71 ABS for San Diego and was 254/260/328. Somehow Henry Blanco got 134 at bats with Seattle and Toronto batting 142/228/246.

      Morneau did absolutely nothing for Pittsburgh, which makes for an interesting off-season to see who pays him what. 77 ABS for the wild-card champs and 260/370/312.

      Alex Casilla was over in the all-Twins infield, it seems, at Baltimore. He got 112 at bats and hit 214/268/295. He stole 9 bases.

      Brandon Harris got 107 at bats for the Angels, making the roster out of spring training, and dazzled with a 206/252/355. Spent time at AAA Texas and Yankees.
      Janey Carroll did nothing for KC 111/190/194 in 36 ABs.

      Minor interest in:
      Matt Carson, 11 at bats for the Indians pennant run 636/692/909 and Darnell McDonald, who got time with the Cubs 302/351/434 in 57 ABs.

      Add:
      Jeff Manship 11 games (4 starts) for Colorado 0-5, 7.04 ERA
      Sean Henn, cup of coffee with the Mets
    1. Steve Lein's Avatar
      Steve Lein -
      Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
      Oh, and Scott Baker and Michael Cuddyer were good guys that they let go, so using that as the reasoning that the Twins bring guys back or not isn't fair.
      I'd actually still call that fair, since I believe both of those guys wanted to leave, as they did try to bring them both back, right?!

      I've long felt the Twins make decisions on players based on the wrong reasons for putting an actual good "baseball" team together. It's always great to have "good guys" and players that fit your "mold," but it's also a very limiting factor if you're trying to add/keep actual talent. I think this is demonstrated very clearly with several names in this list, actually.
    1. h2oface's Avatar
      h2oface -
      Nick Punto can't seem to help himself when it comes to getting picked off or over running a base in the playoffs.
    1. Rosterman's Avatar
      Rosterman -
      Yep, forgot about Manship. Waldrop didn't make it (nor Santana). Randy Ruiz almost did!
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