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  • Twins To Name Gibson Fifth Starter

    At the outset of camp, it appeared that Kyle Gibson had a very slim chance of claiming a spot in the Twins rotation. He struggled mightily in his major-league debut last year and, unlike his competition for the fifth starter spot, there was no outside urgency to keep him on the 25-man roster.

    Nevertheless, La Velle E. Neal III is reporting that the Twins have decided on Gibson as their fifth starter.

    This may come as a shock to some, because it isn't exactly business as usual for the Twins, who typically go out of their way to protect assets, but they've said all along that they wanted to bring the best pitcher north and that's what they're doing. Options and such aside, Gibson is the most talented of the pool.

    There have been several signs that this move was coming. I remarked last night that among the contenders to round out the rotation, Gibson was the only one who has completed five innings in a start. Earlier this morning, the Twins announced the pitchers that were lined up to start the next five Grapefruit games; Gibson was one of them, while Scott Diamond and Samuel Deduno were not.

    And then of course there was that smart guy Glen Perkins, who told me in the clubhouse on Tuesday not to sleep on Gibson in this race.

    According to Neal, Deduno will open the season in the Twins' bullpen, while Diamond's fate is unclear at this point.
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    1. old nurse's Avatar
      old nurse -
      Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
      I'll take "something called" Samuel Deduno to pick up those here and there spot starts over the likes of who they trotted out last year, Pedro Hernandez, or this year's other likely emergency guys, Swarzak or Duensing, until of course, Deduno sustains his annual injury. By which time, I am hoping that Meyer is more than ready to claim a rotation spot.
      Look at the liked thing. Off topic, but does Best Steak House still have the $2.00 Ribeye?
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by old nurse View Post
      Look at the liked thing. Off topic, but does Best Steak House still have the $2.00 Ribeye?
      Hey, as often as we are both on the same page, I'm buying! (But not Manny's or Murray's or Ruth's Chris..... Best Steak House for the Lunch Special? Why not? Do they have a bus to Target Field?)
    1. longstrangetrip's Avatar
      longstrangetrip -
      I'm starting to see why Gardy was so angry at LaVelle for tweeting that Gibson was going to be the 5th starter. I'm starting to see a different conclusion here. I seems to me that the only thing that has been announced is that Deduno is going to start the year in the bullpen. With Gardy saying today that they're only going to carry 12 pitchers, it seems they may not think they need to carry a 5th starter in the early weeks because of the off dates. They can always do the Rochester shuttle when they finally need a 5th. If that means Gibson can stay sharp starting at Rochester, that's probably good news.
    1. LaBombo's Avatar
      LaBombo -
      Quote Originally Posted by longstrangetrip View Post
      With Gardy saying today that they're only going to carry 12 pitchers.
      It's come to this for the Twins. They're going to have to make due with only 12 pitchers, just two more than what many teams in the league used to get along with even after the advent of the 5 man rotation, and one more than many use now.
    1. stringer bell's Avatar
      stringer bell -
      Quote Originally Posted by LaBombo View Post
      It's come to this for the Twins. They're going to have to make due with only 12 pitchers, just two more than what many teams in the league used to get along with even after the advent of the 5 man rotation, and one more than many use now.
      Almost everyone will use at least 12 pitchers. It sometimes seems stupid to me, but that is the way the game is now. Setup guys only work in the eighth, closers only work the ninth, and many clubs employ a specialist. That said, the Twins added three reputed innings-eaters to their rotation and have no restrictions that I know of on any of their pitchers. That being the case, twelve pitchers should be plenty.
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by LaBombo View Post
      It's come to this for the Twins. They're going to have to make due with only 12 pitchers, just two more than what many teams in the league used to get along with even after the advent of the 5 man rotation, and one more than many use now.
      12 pitchers you say? Scary times for Gardy. Scarier times still, for Pressly, Tonkin and T-Bar (maybe only 1 of 3 makes it, with Diamond as an RP?).

      Meanwhile, hope in the wind with 13 position players, for:

      Parmelee/Bartlett (both have now actually played some CF in ST, Gardy loves multiple utility guys), Hermann/Pinto, Hicks/Presley. 3 of 5 should make the bench joining Escobar, plus one of the two CF's being the starter. Did Bartlett's CF "Say Hey Kid" catch the other day cinch him the back-up role in CF? He's now played every non-battery position this spring except 1B and Groundscrewman. It's apparently still not known for sure if Bartlett has an opt-out on March 31. After trading Morneau to get Presley, it seems unlikely they would DFA him, no matter how uninspiring his play has been. I think they try to send Parmelee through waivers.
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by longstrangetrip View Post
      I'm starting to see why Gardy was so angry at LaVelle for tweeting that Gibson was going to be the 5th starter. I'm starting to see a different conclusion here. I seems to me that the only thing that has been announced is that Deduno is going to start the year in the bullpen. With Gardy saying today that they're only going to carry 12 pitchers, it seems they may not think they need to carry a 5th starter in the early weeks because of the off dates. They can always do the Rochester shuttle when they finally need a 5th. If that means Gibson can stay sharp starting at Rochester, that's probably good news.
      Barring rainouts, they will need a 5th starter on April 6, April 20 and April 26. Gibson building up his frequent flyer miles?
    1. longstrangetrip's Avatar
      longstrangetrip -
      Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
      Barring rainouts, they will need a 5th starter on April 6, April 20 and April 26. Gibson building up his frequent flyer miles?
      Maybe, or with the first 15 games being played in cold weather cities in this weird weather year, with rain/snow outs maybe they won't need a 5th starter at all the first three weeks. I'm just trying to figure out why Gardy had a conniption fit when LaVelle named Gibson as the 5th starter. The only statement the Twins have made is that Deduno will start the season in the BP, and the writers built a scenario around that. Makes it uncomfortable if they have to tell Gibson he is actually going down.

      I don't know what is going to happen, but I do know this. Gardy likes a big bullpen, especially in the early going when pitchers aren't fully stretched out yet, and I don't know the last time he has had only 7 to work with. Seems like enough to me, but Gardy sees a bullpen differently than I do. Secondly, I'm not sure they want Gibson sitting on the bench with a chance of starting one time before April 20 when he can be getting regular work down in Rochester. They could shuttle him on April 6, if needed, and then consider promoting him on the 20th. We'll have to see how this plays out.
    1. USAFChief's Avatar
      USAFChief -
      If memory serves, the Twins have never started the season with a 13 man pitching staff, and since the advent of 5 man rotations have rarely started the season leaving the fifth starter off the roster (2010, I think).

      I believe they'll take a 12 man staff north, with five starters and seven in the pen.
    1. longstrangetrip's Avatar
      longstrangetrip -
      Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
      If memory serves, the Twins have never started the season with a 13 man pitching staff, and since the advent of 5 man rotations have rarely started the season leaving the fifth starter off the roster (2010, I think).

      I believe they'll take a 12 man staff north, with five starters and seven in the pen.
      You are correct about last year, USAF...5 "starters" (including Worley, Devries and Hendricks...ouch!) and 7 relievers went north. But in 2012 they broke camp with 4 starters (Pavano, Liriano, Hendricks and Blackburn) and 8 relievers. Gardy could go either way this year.
    1. Thrylos's Avatar
      Thrylos -
      Quote Originally Posted by longstrangetrip View Post
      Maybe, or with the first 15 games being played in cold weather cities in this weird weather year, with rain/snow outs maybe they won't need a 5th starter at all the first three weeks. .
      Actually, they will probably need a 5th starter if same series doubleheaders are popping up due to first game of the series cancellations...
    1. shs_59's Avatar
      shs_59 -
      GO K-Gib

      Hopefully, by mid-season or end of year.

      Our rotation is

      1. Gibson/ Meyer
      2. Nolasco
      3. Gibson / Meyer
      4. Hughes
      5. Pelfrey
    1. Kwak's Avatar
      Kwak -
      It might be that there isn't a true #5 starter--simply a set of long-relief pitchers who spot start as needed. This allows flexibility for SP selection for that "5th spot" without having to make a lenghty explanation why one guy started instead of a different guy.
    1. Hosken Bombo Disco's Avatar
      Hosken Bombo Disco -
      Now we read that the Twins are upset that Gibson has been named a starter?
    1. crarko's Avatar
      crarko -
      Quote Originally Posted by Hosken Bombo Disco View Post
      Now we read that the Twins are upset that Gibson has been named a starter?
      I read that a big company was upset with a unconfirmed information leak. I've heard rumors that other big companies have reacted the same way.
    1. JB_Iowa's Avatar
      JB_Iowa -
    1. Hosken Bombo Disco's Avatar
      Hosken Bombo Disco -
      Quote Originally Posted by crarko View Post
      I read that a big company was upset with a unconfirmed information leak. I've heard rumors that other big companies have reacted the same way.
      Yes, reinforcing the suspicion that this is a team sorely in need of p.r. fundamentals!

      This was an easy win, turned into a minor debacle. It's not like we're talking about Worley. Once LENIII's leak on Gibson appeared, the inner circle needs to get on the same page (I assume they have each other's phone numbers) and in this case, immediately own it: "Yes, Gibson will be our fifth starter. He's had a great spring and we're confident he is ready to contribute," said Antony.

      Done.

      Being a Twins fan is hard work these days--they should pay us, not the other way around
    1. Hosken Bombo Disco's Avatar
      Hosken Bombo Disco -
      Quote Originally Posted by JB_Iowa View Post

      That sounds right. The "expected rainout" excuse for starting with four starters feels a little off to me.
    1. howeda7's Avatar
      howeda7 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Hosken Bombo Disco View Post
      Yes, reinforcing the suspicion that this is a team sorely in need of p.r. fundamentals!

      This was an easy win, turned into a minor debacle. It's not like we're talking about Worley. Once LENIII's leak on Gibson appeared, the inner circle needs to get on the same page (I assume they have each other's phone numbers) and in this case, immediately own it: "Yes, Gibson will be our fifth starter. He's had a great spring and we're confident he is ready to contribute," said Antony.

      Done.

      Being a Twins fan is hard work these days--they should pay us, not the other way around
      98.5% of Twins fans will never know or care about this PR 'disaster'. Folks like those who post on this board are the only ones who will care.
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
      98.5% of Twins fans will never know or care about this PR 'disaster'. Folks like those who post on this board are the only ones who will care.
      I think what the previous poster said was "minor debacle". An organization tends to wish to jealously guard and control the "message" intended for public consumption- and a decision such as this does have a significant effect on the players and agents involved.

      Judging by how publicly upset that the Twins management has been in reaction to this development, I'd say the TD posters were not the only ones who cared.
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