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  • What To Do With Chris Parmelee?

    He's at it again.

    Chris Parmelee's 2012 season could be looked at in two different ways. On the one hand, you had a rookie hitter who looked overwhelmed against major-league pitching. On the other hand, you had a 24-year-old absolutely demolishing in his first exposure to Triple-A pitching. He was far and away the best hitter in the International League that year.

    He followed up with a 2013 season that was simply a mess, both in the majors and the minors, and as a result he was outrighted from the 40-man roster this spring. He passed through waivers (somewhat surprisingly, from my view) and now he's back in Rochester. Once again he is looking fantastic at the plate.

    In 29 games for the Red Wings, Parmelee is hitting .327/.398/.589 with seven homers, seven doubles, 23 RBI and a solid 20/13 K/BB ratio. On Sunday he went 3-for-5 with two bombs and five RBI. He has a .939 lifetime OPS at the Triple-A level. He has mastered it.

    The problem is that he hasn't proven to be a good enough hitter in the majors. Since an impressive September call-up in 2011, Parmelee has hit .228/.302/.364 in 186 games with the Twins, and that's pretty terrible production for a guy who offers almost no defensive value.

    Because of the disparity between his numbers in Triple-A and the majors, many have branded Parmelee as a "AAAA player" -- a tweener who's too good for the minors but not quite good enough for the show. Maybe that's what he is, but it seems too soon to affix that label.

    Keep in mind: Parmelee is still only 26 years old. That's one year younger than Trevor Plouffe, who finally seems to be turning the corner now. And although he's been given several different opportunities with the Twins, Parmelee's MLB experience amounts to 631 plate appearances, which is barely more than one full season's worth.

    There's a saying that you don't know what you have in a player until he's reached the 1,000-AB threshold in the majors. Parmelee isn't close to that yet, and I'd say some extra patience is warranted in his case considering his age, his status as a former first-round pick and his domination at the highest level of the minors. It's too soon to give up on him being a useful piece.

    The problem, of course, is that there's no room for him on the major-league roster. The Twins already have Joe Mauer, Jason Kubel, Chris Colabello and Pinto occupying the DH/corner outfielder mix, with Oswaldo Arcia set to return shortly and Josh Willingham not far behind.

    If Mauer's back injury forces him to the disabled list, it's possible the Twins could bring Parmelee back into the fold. He probably wouldn't be in line for regular playing time, at least not right away, but he could be plugged in against some righties with the opportunity to earn a regular gig. That would be a very beneficial development for the Twins.

    At the end of the day, regardless of your feelings about Parmelee, he still probably has a better chance to be a long-term asset for this club than Colabello or Kubel. At a time when every decision ought to be made with the future in mind, at least to some extent, that needs to be a primary consideration.

    What do you think? What should the Twins do with Parmelee?
    Comments 106 Comments
    1. WLFINN's Avatar
      WLFINN -
      Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
      that's what a team COMMITTED to a rebuild would have done last year. But man, this team cannot figure out it's strategy is at all......

      1. DFA Hermann, call up Parmalee, put him in RF until Arcia is up.
      2. Put Parmalee at DH when Arcia is up, move Pinto to catching 2-3 times a week
      3. DFA Florimann and start eithe Esco or Santana (though I'd have Santana in AAA)
      4. Please do not make room for a 35 year old RP, when you are flush in RP in the minors. If your strategy is to build from within, actually try building from within for a change
      5. One more month of May/Meyer in the minors, and if they are good, call them up and figure out what to do with Deduno/Pelfrey/KC, but don't keep them down for more than half the year because you are afraid of I don't know what with those three.
      6. Move Dozier to SS in August, and see if he can play it.

      that is all....
      While I agree with some of this, is not Parmalee a better Outfielder than Arcia? Why not leave him out there and DH Arcia
    1. blindeke's Avatar
      blindeke -
      "Bernardino opined the Twins may 60 day Willingham to make room for Guerrier. As if the a Twins needed more relief pitching, and didn't need a bench. The Twins wouldn't actually do it, would they? If they felt the need to hold on to him, they'd DFA Burton, right? Please..."

      Yeah if they add Guerrier, I'm gonna be sad again.
    1. spycake's Avatar
      spycake -
      Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
      And this is part of the reason why I thought Parmelee should have received 500+ PA in the Majors last season. Would he have cemented himself on the roster had that happened? Maybe not, maybe even probably not... But he has a potential future with this team and it was worth doing all you can to answer that question last season.
      Parmelee was on a 488 PA pace when he was sent down last July, over halfway through the season. He had been playing every day for the previous 3 weeks, and was mired in a terrible 1-for-22 funk (with 1 BB and 12 K). His slump more or less continued at AAA (.688 OPS).

      Letting him continue to compile MLB PAs at that point would have been like letting Vance Worley continue to pitch in MLB -- I don't think that more playing time, under those circumstances, is going to give you any additional positive information about the player.
    1. jimbo92107's Avatar
      jimbo92107 -
      Quote Originally Posted by SydneyTwinsFan View Post
      It's utterly inexcusable that Herrmann has started 4 of the past 6 games while Parmelee rakes in AAA, particularly as he can actually catch the ball in RF unlike Herrmann and Colabello. Accept the crushing loss of Eric Fryer or Kenny Wilson from the 40 man and get him up. The Twins can worry about what to do with him when/if Willingham proves he is fit.

      They should also bring back Arcia for one of the 13 pitchers at the same time (either DFA Burton or option one of Tonkin or Darnell, as harsh as it would be on those guys). He has put up a .333/.379/.444 line through 8 rehab games now - that's enough.
      Agreed. Perfect time for Parmelee to have another shot at 1st and RF, while Herrmann goes down to regroup. With Arcia I'd rather have Darnell go back down with a nice cuppa coffee, as Tonkin is looking pretty good.
    1. jokin's Avatar
      jokin -
      Quote Originally Posted by blindeke View Post
      "Bernardino opined the Twins may 60 day Willingham to make room for Guerrier. As if the a Twins needed more relief pitching, and didn't need a bench. The Twins wouldn't actually do it, would they? If they felt the need to hold on to him, they'd DFA Burton, right? Please..."

      Yeah if they add Guerrier, I'm gonna be sad again.
      It has to happen by tomorrow's opt-out date, so this move is something that must have been anticipated since MG was signed. It only makes sense if they are planning on doing something with Burton. They really wouldn't swap him into a spot for either Darnell or Tonkin, would they.....?
    1. spycake's Avatar
      spycake -
      Quote Originally Posted by AM. View Post
      Parmelee, Plouffe, and Dozier. All guys who have had stretches of excellence at AAA. Plouffe and Dozier are showing signs of turning into useful assets for the majors team. I think Parmelee could join them.
      I assume you mean Colabello instead of Dozier? Dozier actually didn't play much at AAA, and did not play particularly well there either (.623 OPS in 200 PA). Although Cola might be fading fast at the MLB level.

      And Plouffe was already a useful asset (although not necessarily a middle of the order bat). Even without any major step forward this year, he's roughly a league average bat and glove at 3B. Hence his $2.35 mil salary.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      Quote Originally Posted by WLFINN View Post
      While I agree with some of this, is not Parmalee a better Outfielder than Arcia? Why not leave him out there and DH Arcia
      Arcia is a long term option at OF, Parm is probably not. I would want Arcia playing his LT position up here.
    1. jimbo92107's Avatar
      jimbo92107 -
      A lot of this depends on Joe Mauer's sore back. At C you've got Suzuki, Pinto and Escobar in an emergency. That does leave room to rotate Parms at 1st/RF while Arcia does LF/RF, Colabello at RF/1st, Kubes at RF/LF, and they all take turns at DH.
    1. Siehbiscuit's Avatar
      Siehbiscuit -
      Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
      Parmelee was on a 488 PA pace when he was sent down last July, over halfway through the season. He had been playing every day for the previous 3 weeks, and was mired in a terrible 1-for-22 funk (with 1 BB and 12 K). His slump more or less continued at AAA (.688 OPS).

      Letting him continue to compile MLB PAs at that point would have been like letting Vance Worley continue to pitch in MLB -- I don't think that more playing time, under those circumstances, is going to give you any additional positive information about the player.
      This is essentially the same "slump" that Pinto is in right now!?
    1. Brandon's Avatar
      Brandon -
      I would absolutely bring up Guerrier to keep him from leaving. Here's a thought. The A's have a SS prospect so they could be open to trading their current SS who is about to be a FA. Corriea and Guerrier or Burton for Lowrie in June when the Twins are ready to bring up Meyer and the A's are ready to bring up their SS prospect.

      All 3 players are set to be FA at the end of the season. so the long term isn't that big of a deal. it would be considered a tryout for Lowrie and see if he likes it here to resign too.
    1. Siehbiscuit's Avatar
      Siehbiscuit -
      25 MAN ROSTER:

      (13 position players)
      C- Suzuki, Pinto (Escobar is the emergency catcher) - Split games evenly. Pinto's bat is good, but are we sure it is better than Colabello, Parmalee or Arcia's to have him be the DH and not one of them?
      1B- Mauer & Colabello
      2B-Dozier
      3B-Plouffe
      SS-Escobar, Florimon (send Santana back to AAA) - The everyday job needs to go to Escobar.
      LF - Kubel & Arcia
      CF - Hicks & Fuld - Hicks needs to play everyday and Fuld is not a part of the future. Hicks still can be (although its painful to watch).
      RF - Parmalee & Colabello - this could be a straight platoon or just riding the "hot hand." Hitters go on streaks. Ride 'em while their hot, sit 'em when they're not.
      DH - Revolving door of matchups and who is hitting well. Pinto has got to be a better hitter to get the AB's here. If its a RH on the mound, there's no reason that Kubel, Arcia and Parmalee can't/should't all be in the lineup.

      SP- Nolasco, Hughes, Correia, Deduno & Gibson (5)
      RP - Theibar, Duensing, Swarzak, Fien, Tonkin, Burton (6)
      CP - Perkins
      (12 pitchers)
    1. MileHighTwinsFan's Avatar
      MileHighTwinsFan -
      We have not seen the last of Parmalee with the big club. I fear that Colabello will fade, leaving a spot available for Parmalee. I do think he can hit at the major league level, with time. Like Dozier and Plouffe before him - he needs to continue to mature. The main difference between Dozier/Plouffe and Parmalee is that the former filled holes that had few other options. The Twins had little choice but to play Plouffe and Dozier everyday. It appears that the exposure they have gotten has paid off. The latter, Parmalee, has had to compete for playing time since day one. As a result, he has only had sporadic stretches in the line up.

      If Colabello can not keep pace and Willingham is a long term DL case, Parmalee is the most obvious person to bring up to the big club.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      Willingham is done after this year, nothing about him * should matter to any discussion of others getting playing time, imo. If you aren't going all in to compete, you should get your young guys on the field and playing.

      *unless they are in a pennant race after July, and Willingham is healthy
    1. Sconnie's Avatar
      Sconnie -
      Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
      It has to happen by tomorrow's opt-out date, so this move is something that must have been anticipated since MG was signed. It only makes sense if they are planning on doing something with Burton. They really wouldn't swap him into a spot for either Darnell or Tonkin, would they.....?
      This is the second opt out date. He went to free agency in March/early April, and was resigned by the Twins, not certain there is a master scheme here...
    1. DAM DC Twins Fans's Avatar
      DAM DC Twins Fans -
      Yes, bring Parms back up and play him and lets see if he is part of the future. He is younger than Willingham and Colabello. Who to send down?? Pick one--Santana who needs to learn SS at Rochester or Hermann or DL Mauer or better yet one of the bullpen guys.
    1. ScottyB's Avatar
      ScottyB -
      Quote Originally Posted by DuluthFan View Post
      Parmalee has had his shot at the 25 man roster and didn't make the cut. His positions are being capably handled by Colabello and Kubel with Arcia coming back when he is ready.

      You would actually lose value for Parmalee by adding him to the 25 man roster now. He has no options left. If he needs to be sent back down, you not only expose him by DFA'ing him but if I'm not mistaken, he can also become a free agent by being DFA'd twice. As he currently is not on the 40 man roster, he can be traded to any team without having to be waived or needing to stick on another team's 25/40 man rosters. He has more value as a trade chip by not needing a roster spot.

      Where would Parmalee play if he was called up? He can play 1st, DH or one of the corner outfield positions. The last I heard we had Mauer, Colabello, Kubel and Pinto filling those positions with Arcia and Willingham eventually coming back from the DL. And if you remember the previous years, Parmalee was not particularly strong as a pinch hitter. Parmalee has had his chance to make this team. Let him play his way onto another team via a trade.
      ^ This.

      Parmelee is a AAAA player. His ceiling is Randy Bush - except he isn't great off the bench as a pinch hitter. His potential is a 12 homer, 40 RBI guy who can play corner outfield and 1B. Those types of players are a dime a dozen. He's having a great stretch at Rochester, but we've seen this before.
    1. Nick Nelson's Avatar
      Nick Nelson -
      Quote Originally Posted by Steve Lein View Post
      I don't agree with this all that much. While he's never going to post a good UZR or any other defensive metric statistic because of his limited speed, he would be the 2nd best outfielder on our team right now.
      I didn't mean to imply that he's terrible at the positions he plays, I actually agree that he's a little underrated, but at the end of the day he's a slow-footed corner OF and first baseman. That's pretty much all the way at the left end of the defensive spectrum.
    1. slash129's Avatar
      slash129 -
      Quote Originally Posted by tobi0040 View Post
      You guys are downplaying the likelihood of our catcher getting hurt and the horrors of not having a DH for a few innings in that scenario.

      I know it is not going to happen, but could you imagine if it did?
      This!!

      Seriously, though ..

      CP should be brought up and played every day against RHP for 2-3 straight months regardless of slumps, etc. .... If he can't show that he's an MLB level talent in that time frame, then I guess he got his fair shake.

      Still feel like CP will end up being Garret Jones II.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      I'm confused how he has trade value, if he's a AAAA player. I'm confused that we should worry about losing him to options, but keep him in AAA. He has zero value in AAA. None.
    1. twinsnorth49's Avatar
      twinsnorth49 -
      Colabello, Kubel and Willingham have no long term future, bring Parms up in June and lose a couple of these guys. If it turns out he never learns to hit major league pitching are they really any further behind?
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