• Twins Ink Doumit to Two-Year Extension

    Cross one name off the trade deadline "selling" list. Ryan Doumit is here to stay at least for the foreseeable future.

    Pleased with the impact of their offseason acquisition, the Twins announced Friday that they've signed the backup catcher and frequent DH to a two-year contract extension worth $7 million.

    As the 2011 season came to a close, it had become clear that the catcher position was in drastic need of an upgrade. Joe Mauer, battling assorted health issues, had posted a disappointing .239/.328/.324 line while behind the plate; meanwhile, his backups hit an anemic .158/.209/.227.

    With Mauer's wellness still in question, the Twins needed to add a player who could fill in behind the plate. Among the list of available free agents, Ryan Doumit stood out as an ideal fit. A capable backstop with enough lumber to fill in at positions like right field and designated hitter, and with a modest price tag.

    Terry Ryan clearly liked those attributes and got him at a bargain: one year, $3 million. Doumit has lived up to expectations. There's a bit more risk involved with his new contract, of course, but we're talking about $3.5 million per year here. That's about what the Twins threw away on seven starts from Jason Marquis this year; about what they're paying Tsuyoshi Nishioka to play in Rochester.

    Unlike those two, Doumit has already proven his usefulness. His flexibility suits this club's needs well, now and going forward, and while he's not the kind of dominant bat you build your lineup around he adds some nice switch-hitting punch to the bottom half.

    Doumit is on the wrong side of 30 and not hugely athletic to begin with, so there exists a real possibility that his decline phase will hit before this contract is over. He's also been injured a lot during his career, and one healthy half hardly erases that history.

    Nevertheless, the Twins are taking a relatively minor risk here and the (very realistic) upside is that Doumit keeps doing what he's been doing this year and most of his career while staying fairly healthy in a role that is designed to keep him that way.

    Simply put, he has more value to this team than as a trade chip, especially at the price they've locked him up for. This is a great deal from any perspective.

    What do you think about Doumit's new deal? Join the discussion on our forum thread.
    This article was originally published in blog: Twins Ink Doumit to Two-Year Extension started by Nick Nelson
    Comments 52 Comments
    1. snepp's Avatar
      snepp -
      If Gardy is going to continue his irrational fear of "losing the DH" when both Mauer and Doumit play, they're still going to have to find an acceptable major league backup catcher.

      Thoughts of another two years of Butera make me nauseous.
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by snepp View Post
      If Gardy is going to continue his irrational fear of "losing the DH" when both Mauer and Doumit play, they're still going to have to find an acceptable major league backup catcher.
      I'm hoping that JR has the guts to just take Butera away from Gardy at some point.

      Butera would be acceptable (still terrible, but acceptable) as a third catcher if Gardy only ran him out there once every two weeks but instead, he's become a "Gardy guy", probably based on his inability to do anything while standing at the plate.
    1. SpiritofVodkaDave's Avatar
      SpiritofVodkaDave -
      Quote Originally Posted by rocketpig View Post
      I'm hoping that JR has the guts to just take Butera away from Gardy at some point.

      Butera would be acceptable (still terrible, but acceptable) as a third catcher if Gardy only ran him out there once every two weeks but instead, he's become a "Gardy guy", probably based on his inability to do anything while standing at the plate.
      To be fair though, Butera only started 5 games this month and that is most likely because Doumit was banged up and unavailable for 4 games or so. Also Mauer has had a few injuries this year as well that have kept him out for 3-4 days. If Mauer and Doumit were consistently healthy I doubt we would roster 3 catchers at this point.

      Also, Butera's batting line .241/.305/.333 is actually close to acceptable for a back up catcher (though I think that is more SSS than anything else) but it's not like Butera has been killing this team, and for whatever reason he seems to have found a niche with Liriano (I'm not a huge believer in personal catchers, but Liriano is such a head case at times I am willling to do anything to keep him effective on the mound)

      Ideally down the road you find a replacement for Butera, but at this point it's not exactly like the Twins have any better options, nor is he clogging up a bench spot when you already have Parmelee wasting away on the bench and a masher like Mastrionni.
    1. snepp's Avatar
      snepp -
      Quote Originally Posted by rocketpig View Post
      Butera would be acceptable (still terrible, but acceptable) as a third catcher if Gardy only ran him out there once every two weeks
      The role on the side of that milk carton is currently occupied by a prospect with a little bit of real potential.
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by Fire Dan Gladden View Post
      I wouldn't let that opinion out on this site, you might not make it through the day...
      I think most of the rational posters around here think JR has done a pretty good job with the ML roster on this team. The huge, mammoth, gigantic exception being the rotation, which he didn't address in a meaningful way at all last offseason.

      But the bullpen and lineup? You'd have to be more than a little delusional to think JR has done a bad job there. Capps was iffy but Burton has been golden. Doumit has met expectations. Willingham has grossly exceeded them. Carroll is somewhat unimpressive but most of us knew that going in.
    1. SpiritofVodkaDave's Avatar
      SpiritofVodkaDave -
      Quote Originally Posted by rocketpig View Post
      I think most of the rational posters around here think JR has done a pretty good job with the ML roster on this team. The huge, mammoth, gigantic exception being the rotation, which he didn't address in a meaningful way at all last offseason.

      But the bullpen and lineup? You'd have to be more than a little delusional to think JR has done a bad job there. Capps was iffy but Burton has been golden. Doumit has met expectations. Willingham has grossly exceeded them. Carroll is somewhat unimpressive but most of us knew that going in.
      Not to make excuses for the rotation, but heading into the off-season Ryan didn't exactly have a ton of money to play with. Also Baker, Pavano and Blackburn have all been effected quite a bit due to injury and they were counting on a rebound season from Liriano. I would have preffered an Eric Bedard over a Marquis, but let's not pretend the Twins would be in any better shape if they had done that. With Baker lost for the season, Liriano playig awful the first 10 starts and Pavano being hurt the whole year as well the Twins didn't stand much of a shot. You can't take away many teams 1-2-3 and expect them to have a good staff.

      Capps has been solid before the injury, everyone hates Capps because of the Ramos trade but in reality Capps is a solid but not great closer. If he was healthy 5 mil or so would be fair market value.
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
      Not to make excuses for the rotation, but heading into the off-season Ryan didn't exactly have a ton of money to play with. Also Baker, Pavano and Blackburn have all been effected quite a bit due to injury and they were counting on a rebound season from Liriano. I would have preffered an Eric Bedard over a Marquis, but let's not pretend the Twins would be in any better shape if they had done that. With Baker lost for the season, Liriano playig awful the first 10 starts and Pavano being hurt the whole year as well the Twins didn't stand much of a shot. You can't take away many teams 1-2-3 and expect them to have a good staff.

      Capps has been solid before the injury, everyone hates Capps because of the Ramos trade but in reality Capps is a solid but not great closer. If he was healthy 5 mil or so would be fair market value.
      I only say Capps is iffy because I would rather have the pick and then pick up another "closer" on the FA market for the same money. I thought that would have been the smart move. Capps has performed adequately in the role when healthy.

      The Twins have surely been bitten by the injury bug in the rotation (again) but there was no reason to think Marquis could hack it in the AL. He's a below average AL starter at best. Given the rotation's problems, it has been a worst case scenario for JR but he easily could have done better this offseason and he didn't. But, like you said, he didn't have a ton of money to play with, either.
    1. SeanS7921's Avatar
      SeanS7921 -
      Why is Joe Mauer's health still in question? He hasn't been on DL this year. He is playing catcher, DH and 1B well and has monster stats (minus HRs). But no, his health is in question...
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by SeanS7921 View Post
      Why is Joe Mauer's health still in question? He hasn't been on DL this year. He is playing catcher, DH and 1B well and has monster stats (minus HRs). But no, his health is in question...
      Until recently (haven't looked in a week or two), he was still putting the ball on the ground waaaaaaaaay above his career norm, which was already somewhat high. That's a sign that he still isn't right and may never be right again.

      But right now, he looks pretty healthy.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      Doesn't matter if they don't buy pitching before next year. Everything else is nibbling at the edges of mediocrity.
    1. crapforks's Avatar
      crapforks -
      Upset at the Doumit signing?!?! My word! It's like the argument is, "I put a waaaaayyyyy better team together on my ps3!"
    1. Riverbrian's Avatar
      Riverbrian -
      Extremely reasonable contract. Of Course that's easy for me to say... I've never spent $100,000 on anything.

      So for 2014... Currently -- Mauer, Willingham, Span and Doumit are under contract barring a trade or release.
    1. jimbo92107's Avatar
      jimbo92107 -
      Doumit is the closest thing I've seen to Mike Redmond in a Twins uniform. Not quite the average, but a bit more power.
    1. Shane Wahl's Avatar
      Shane Wahl -
      This signing tells me that Doumit really likes it in Minnesota. It isn't unreasonable to think that he may have gotten a 2/$10 million or even 3/$12 million deal in the offseason from somebody else. I really like this signing. I didn't look at the details . . . is it $3.5/$3.5?
    1. Scheherezade's Avatar
      Scheherezade -
      Quote Originally Posted by shanewahl View Post
      I didn't look at the details . . . is it $3.5/$3.5?
      Yup. He looked pretty cheerful when talking about the extension.
    1. DPJ's Avatar
      DPJ -
      Quote Originally Posted by rocketpig View Post
      You'd rather see Butera out there? This is exactly what the Twins should be doing. Filling the roster with complementary players around Mauer & Co while still letting the young guys play. The Twins have a lot of free money this offseason to build a respectable pitching staff. Their bullpen looks good. The offense is decent. All they really need is starting pitching (admittedly the hardest thing to find).

      Please for the love of **** will people stop like the only two options for a backup catcher are Butera or giving Doumit stupid money. The Twins lack of building a roster and for some unknown reason thinking Drew needs to be on the 25 man roster doesn't excuse a stupid and bonehead signing by the Twins front office.
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by DPJ View Post
      Please for the love of **** will people stop like the only two options for a backup catcher are Butera or giving Doumit stupid money. The Twins lack of building a roster and for some unknown reason thinking Drew needs to be on the 25 man roster doesn't excuse a stupid and bonehead signing by the Twins front office.
      Since when is $3.5m for a backup catcher who can hit "stupid money"? Since when is $3.5m for any player that doesn't suck "stupid money"?
    1. jorgenswest's Avatar
      jorgenswest -
      It is hard to separate the player from the Twins priorities in building a roster.

      Doumit is an asset to the Twins. He will likely return the value. He is a valuable hitter on the bench and relative to other catchers.

      The Twins will have a budget line for next year. We can argue that it should be increased. Assuming that it will be close to this year's line, they just spent 3.5 million on their back up catcher/ role player. I think some would argue that they should allocate the majority of their available resources into pitching as the top priority. Why not spend less for this spot on the roster and free up 2.5 million for pitching?
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by jorgenswest View Post
      It is hard to separate the player from the Twins priorities in building a roster.

      Doumit is an asset to the Twins. He will likely return the value. He is a valuable hitter on the bench and relative to other catchers.

      The Twins will have a budget line for next year. We can argue that it should be increased. Assuming that it will be close to this year's line, they just spent 3.5 million on their back up catcher/ role player. I think some would argue that they should allocate the majority of their available resources into pitching as the top priority. Why not spend less for this spot on the roster and free up 2.5 million for pitching?
      Because Doumit likes it here, he's productive, he's versatile, and $2.5m doesn't get you squat in starting pitching.

      The Twins will still have plenty of money to chase a good starting pitcher should they wish to do so. After the Doumit signing, they have every position on the field locked up next season. They can literally commit every last dime of money this offseason to pitching. Doumit is not stopping them from doing anything.

      Even their bullpen is in pretty good shape for next season. They could even skip picking up anyone there as well.
    1. Fire Dan Gladden's Avatar
      Fire Dan Gladden -
      Quote Originally Posted by rocketpig View Post
      I think most of the rational posters around here think JR has done a pretty good job with the ML roster on this team. The huge, mammoth, gigantic exception being the rotation, which he didn't address in a meaningful way at all last offseason.

      But the bullpen and lineup? You'd have to be more than a little delusional to think JR has done a bad job there. Capps was iffy but Burton has been golden. Doumit has met expectations. Willingham has grossly exceeded them. Carroll is somewhat unimpressive but most of us knew that going in.
      That was my point. The problem is that most of the posters here are not rational. I don't think anybody they signed as a FA this year (outside of Marquis) has underperformed.

      The Twins took the stance that last year was essentially a mulligan. The replaced or filled their position players as needed and otherwise counted on all of their injuries to heal up. The lineup has essentially done that. They took the same stance with the rotation, but did not have the same luck. The Zumaya, Baker, and Wimmers injuries were killer. Not having Gibson hasn't helped. Factor in Liriano and Blackburn underperforming, along with Marquis thinking he was playing slow pitch softball, the rotation was unable to recover.

      Everybody who thinks the Twins are going to be super active at the trade deadline are delusional. They are not typically active as sellers, and I do not see that changing this year. They also are not going to go out and spend big money on a FA starter. They already have too much locked up into M&M, they will not destroy any flexability by siging a $15-18m pitcher long term.
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