• Twins vs. Orioles, 07-19-2012, 12:10pm

    The Twins cannot deliver Francisco a win. Again last night, the left-hander pitched a solid six innings, giving up two earned runs and striking out 10 batters. The Twins offense couldn't muster more than one run in nine frames and dropped the game 2-1 to the Orioles.

    This afternoon, we get Cole De Vries and a getaway lineup against Wei-Yin Chen, making the 18th start of his debut season. Chen has been one of the few solid parts of the Orioles rotation, pitching over 100 innings with a 3.80 ERA for Baltimore. The Orioles look for a split today while the Twins look to take three out of four from the fading O's.

    What do you expect from De Vries? Will Gardenhire run out a lineup that can win this game? Join the Twins Daily discussion and let us know!


    Cole De Vries

    W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR HB BB IBB SO AVG WHIP GO/AO
    SEASON 2 2 4.37 7 6 0 0 35.0 31 21 17 9 2 8 0 24 .235 1.11 0.63
    MLB Totals 2 2 4.37 7 6 0 0 35.0 31 21 17 9 2 8 0 24 .235 1.11 0.63

    Wei-Yin Chen

    W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR HB BB IBB SO AVG WHIP GO/AO
    SEASON 7 5 3.80 18 18 0 0 109.0 100 51 46 15 2 35 0 83 .241 1.24 0.71
    MLB Totals 7 5 3.80 18 18 0 0 109.0 100 51 46 15 2 35 0 83 .241 1.24 0.71

    Twins Offense
    RK Player Team Pos G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
    1 Mauer, J MIN C 83 310 48 102 19 1 6 44 46 49 4 1 .329 .415 .455 .870
    2 Revere, B MIN RF 57 238 27 75 8 2 0 15 10 18 19 5 .315 .345 .366 .711
    3 Doumit, R MIN C 73 254 28 73 18 1 7 41 21 54 0 0 .287 .339 .449 .788
    4 Span, D MIN CF 83 335 42 96 22 2 3 29 35 43 9 5 .287 .353 .391 .744
    5 Willingham, J MIN LF 87 312 54 86 22 1 23 66 49 84 2 1 .276 .390 .574 .964
    6 Mastroianni, D MIN LF 34 71 10 19 1 1 1 8 9 13 9 2 .268 .350 .352 .702
    7 Plouffe, T MIN RF 72 252 44 66 11 0 19 37 26 55 0 3 .262 .335 .532 .866
    8 Morneau, J MIN 1B 71 276 33 69 17 1 11 40 25 56 1 0 .250 .315 .438 .753
    9 Dozier, B MIN SS 61 233 24 56 8 1 4 26 10 41 6 2 .240 .272 .335 .607
    10 Carroll, J MIN SS 85 292 36 70 11 1 0 28 34 43 6 3 .240 .322 .284 .606
    11 Casilla, A MIN 2B 61 178 16 42 10 1 0 15 9 34 10 1 .236 .271 .303 .574
    12 Butera, D MIN C 26 68 5 16 5 0 1 4 4 16 0 0 .235 .288 .353 .641
    13 Komatsu, E MIN RF 15 32 2 7 0 0 0 1 4 3 0 0 .219 .297 .219 .516
    14 Hughes, L MIN 2B 4 10 0 2 0 0 0 2 0 4 1 0 .200 .182 .200 .382
    15 Parmelee, C MIN 1B 38 103 9 20 5 1 2 5 9 27 0 0 .194 .278 .320 .599
    16 Valencia, D MIN 3B 27 100 9 19 5 1 1 11 2 23 0 1 .190 .204 .290 .494

    Orioles Offense
    RK Player Team Pos G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
    1 Reimold, N BAL LF 16 67 10 21 6 0 5 10 2 14 1 0 .313 .333 .627 .960
    2 Jones, A BAL CF 91 364 61 107 20 3 22 50 18 65 11 5 .294 .337 .547 .883
    3 Markakis, N BAL RF 56 225 30 62 17 1 8 27 25 37 1 1 .276 .350 .467 .817
    4 Davis, C BAL 1B 77 285 39 74 12 0 14 41 16 89 0 3 .260 .304 .449 .753
    5 Wieters, M BAL C 83 302 35 77 15 1 12 45 32 58 1 0 .255 .333 .430 .764
    6 Betemit, W BAL 3B 77 259 31 66 12 0 10 32 24 77 0 1 .255 .315 .417 .732
    7 Paulino, R BAL C 20 63 5 16 3 0 0 5 1 9 0 0 .254 .266 .302 .567
    8 Pearce, S BAL LF 27 71 8 18 4 0 3 14 8 17 0 1 .254 .321 .437 .758
    9 Matusz, B BAL P 2 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 .250 .250 .250 .500
    10 Thome, J BAL DH 10 37 2 9 2 0 0 2 7 15 0 0 .243 .364 .297 .661
    11 Avery, X BAL CF 24 90 13 21 6 1 1 6 11 22 6 2 .233 .317 .356 .672
    12 Andino, R BAL 2B 79 274 28 63 9 1 5 21 23 73 4 3 .230 .292 .325 .617
    13 Hall, B BAL LF 7 9 2 2 0 0 1 1 5 7 0 0 .222 .500 .556 1.056
    14 Hardy, J BAL SS 89 378 43 82 15 2 13 34 20 61 0 0 .217 .257 .370 .627
    15 Johnson, N BAL 1B 38 87 9 18 4 0 4 11 11 26 2 0 .207 .324 .391 .714
    16 Reynolds, M BAL 3B 67 214 30 44 14 0 8 27 37 79 1 2 .206 .333 .383 .717
    17 Flaherty, R BAL 3B 53 99 7 20 0 0 2 7 2 32 1 0 .202 .231 .263 .493
    18 Tolleson, S BAL 3B 22 62 4 12 3 0 2 6 4 14 1 0 .194 .242 .339 .581
    19 Roberts, B BAL 2B 17 66 2 12 0 0 0 5 5 12 1 1 .182 .233 .182 .415
    20 Chavez, E BAL LF 35 107 12 18 2 0 2 6 4 19 2 2 .168 .205 .243 .448
    Comments 110 Comments
    1. Paul's Avatar
      Paul -
      "There isn't a single *good* reason why the Twins weren't using their best relievers in that situation."

      You guys do realize pitchers need to warm up before they go in the game, right?
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Come on Morneau, get on base so Plouffe/Doumit can get Perkins that almighty save.
    1. USAFChief's Avatar
      USAFChief -
      Quote Originally Posted by rocketpig View Post
      Good thing Burton or Perkins weren't on the mound!

      Now one of them can't get the save!
      I don't think Perkins is available.

      As for the rest of your rant, unless burton is going two innings, Burnett walking two to start the inning is no better in the 9th than the 8th.

      The lesson here isn't "which pitcher(s) should be pitching which inning.". The lesson should be that every member of your pen is going to be required to pitch high leverage innings over the course of a season. Thinking "bullpen arms are the easiest thing to find" or "you only need a couple good arms at the back of your pen" as is often stated, is false.
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
      "There isn't a single *good* reason why the Twins weren't using their best relievers in that situation."

      You guys do realize pitchers need to warm up before they go in the game, right?
      Swarzak was warming up. It was a "game on the line" situation. Why wasn't Burton the one warming up?
    1. DPJ's Avatar
      DPJ -
      Quote Originally Posted by rocketpig View Post
      No, no. You're totally misunderstanding me. I'm not asking for something crazy like that, only that it's possible for Gardenhire to use one in the eighth and the other in the ninth.
      What odd game are you speaking of where a closer can pitch before the 9th inning?
    1. CDog's Avatar
      CDog -
      Perkins is unavailable today according to StarTribune (and pitched two straight and three of last four days).
    1. DPJ's Avatar
      DPJ -
      Was that a legit hit off a lefty for Morneau or a little flair into right?
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
      I don't think Perkins is available.

      As for the rest of your rant, unless burton is going two innings, Burnett walking two to start the inning is no better in the 9th than the 8th.

      The lesson here isn't "which pitcher(s) should be pitching which inning.". The lesson should be that every member of your pen is going to be required to pitch high leverage innings over the course of a season. Thinking "bullpen arms are the easiest thing to find" or "you only need a couple good arms at the back of your pen" as is often stated, is false.
      Why can't Burton pitch four outs again? It's not as if he's asked to do it a lot.

      And I didn't say to lead off the eighth with your best reliever. That makes even less sense than leading off the ninth with your best reliever.

      But in a one run game with two guys on base, why isn't the best reliever out there? It's the "swing moment" of the game and there are only four outs left to get.
    1. DPJ's Avatar
      DPJ -
      BTW if Ploufee can't get this bunt down I can't wait for the post-game where Gardy throws him under the bus for the loss.
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by DPJ View Post
      Was that a legit hit off a lefty for Morneau or a little flair into right?
      Totally legit. Not a screamer but a solid liner to the RF.
    1. snepp's Avatar
      snepp -
      I need Plouffesie to come through here in order to reset my aggravation level.
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by snepp View Post
      I need Plouffesie to come through here in order to reset my aggravation level.
      Drink!
    1. USAFChief's Avatar
      USAFChief -
      Quote Originally Posted by rocketpig View Post
      Why can't Burton pitch four outs again? It's not as if he's asked to do it a lot.

      And I didn't say to lead off the eighth with your best reliever. That makes even less sense than leading off the ninth with your best reliever.

      But in a one run game with two guys on base, why isn't the best reliever out there? It's the "swing moment" of the game and there are only four outs left to get.
      They have said all year they are reluctant to use Burton for more than an inning. They spent half a year trying not to even use him on back to back days.

      The problem isn't bullpen management. The problem is the relievers not getting the job done.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      Your best reliever should only pitch the ninth, about 40-45 innings per year. And, you should pay him millions mire than the relievers that pitch more innings, and about half of your hitters....../s
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
      They have said all year they are reluctant to use Burton for more than an inning. They spent half a year trying not to even use him on back to back days.

      The problem isn't bullpen management. The problem is the relievers not getting the job done.
      I agree that the relievers, particularly Burnett, didn't get it done. I had zero problems opening the eighth with Burnett and he failed to finish the job.

      The entirety of my problem comes from there being a runners on base situation and making the call to Swarzak, who is not one of your best relievers. By holding on so dearly to the save statistic, Gardenhire has taken his best pitchers out of the game and now the team will probably lose the game.

      Now, instead of managing a bullpen based on need & situation in favor of a statistic, the Orioles are the ones who will be getting that statistic.
    1. greengoblinrulz's Avatar
      greengoblinrulz -
      Burton has pitched 5 4out ballgames this year, but this one was different because Gardy refuses to use a closer for more than an inning.
      He tried it with Capps last year & it didnt work & will never attempt it again.
      This is the 4th time in the last 13gms that Gardy has overworked Perkins/Burton in games they were behind & were not available for games with the lead & Burnett blew those games....Alex should NEVER pitch in an important gm/inning as he's nothing more than a mop up type guy.
    1. USAFChief's Avatar
      USAFChief -
      Quote Originally Posted by rocketpig View Post
      I agree that the relievers, particularly Burnett, didn't get it done. I had zero problems opening the eighth with Burnett and he failed to finish the job.

      The entirety of my problem comes from there being a runners on base situation and making the call to Swarzak, who is not one of your best relievers. By holding on so dearly to the save statistic, Gardenhire has taken his best pitchers out of the game and now the team will probably lose the game.

      Now, instead of managing a bullpen based on need & situation in favor of a statistic, the Orioles are the ones who will be getting that statistic.
      Fair enough.

      Can I also sneak in...Swarzak didn't exactly give up a rocket and spansie probably should have caught that ball?
    1. CDog's Avatar
      CDog -
      ESPN Play-by-Play stating that Anthony Swarzak is pitching for Balitmore to start bottom of the 9th. Weirdest trade ever!!!
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
      Fair enough.

      Can I also sneak in...Swarzak didn't exactly give up a rocket and spansie probably should have caught that ball?
      Span absolutely should have caught that ball. I don't know why he pulled up in that situation. That's a flat-out "all bets are off" situation where you dive for it.
    1. SpiritofVodkaDave's Avatar
      SpiritofVodkaDave -
      So basically Burton and Perkins were unavailable? I'm not sure what else they were supposed to do then, Swarzak has been pretty decent in the pen and his 9th inning just showed that as well.

      I'm personally more upset that Span didn't catch that ball in CF, he took an absolutely awful route, if the Twins lose this game this will be twice in the past week or so that Span's defense basically lost the game for the Twins.
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