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    Francisco Liriano could be in a different uniform by week's end.On Monday night, Francisco Liriano is scheduled to make his 130th start in a Twins uniform. It might also be his last.

    With 25 strikeouts over his last two starts and a 2.84 ERA since the start of May, Liriano is the hottest pitcher in baseball. He also might be the most appealing rental available on the trade market, with Zack Greinke's market cooling and Cole Hamels perhaps closing in on an extension with the Phillies.

    Just over a week remains until the deadline, increasing the urgency for pitching-hungry contenders who could begin making hard pushes for the Minnesota left-hander, especially if he turns in another strong outing against the White Sox.

    This is certainly not the kind of leverage Terry Ryan expected to have when Liriano sat with an 11.02 ERA after one month's play. As frustrating as his April was, Twins fans should be very thankful that he was able to pull things together and rattle off three excellent months, boosting his trade value with each passing start. At this point, with the bidding war that ought to take place, I'll be disappointed if the Twins don't come away with at least one impact prospect in a deal.

    Pay close attention to Liriano when he takes the hill against Gavin Floyd. It might be your last chance, because you can bet a dozen other teams will be doing the same.
    This article was originally published in blog: Frankie's Final Start? started by Nick Nelson
    Comments 66 Comments
    1. USAFChief's Avatar
      USAFChief -
      Quote Originally Posted by diehardtwinsfan View Post
      I haven't seen the kid pitch, but he's 22 with a career k/9 in the minors of 9.47 with a career BB/9 of 3.42. Those peripherals are pretty nice, even though they haven't translated to the big leagues... That seems like some pretty nice cost controlled upside. Woudl we be able to draft better with a compensation pick, because this seems like a pretty nice pickup for the Cubs.
      And all that minor league success came at A ball or lower levels. Since reaching AA he's had less success than Liam Hendricks.
    1. jimbo92107's Avatar
      jimbo92107 -
      Quote Originally Posted by jlovren View Post
      I am not sure but it seems that he throwing a lot more sliders since May. Hmmmm.... more sliders means better pitching. Oh and massages kill grandmas.
      Sorry, had to say it. So hard to find a good masseuse these days. They're all looking for sex!
    1. jimbo92107's Avatar
      jimbo92107 -
      Quote Originally Posted by jlovren View Post
      I am not sure but it seems that he throwing a lot more sliders since May. Hmmmm.... more sliders means better pitching. Oh and massages kill grandmas.
      Don't kill the massager. Sorry, had to say it. So hard to find a good masseuse these days. They're all looking for sex!
    1. Winston Smith's Avatar
      Winston Smith -
      10 years of supp. pick by the Twins, 2000-2009 track record is not good!
      Aaron Heilman (didn't sign), Matt Fox, Jay Ranville, Hank Sanchez, Shooter Hunt and Matt Bashore.
      Zero for 6 may be one reason our talent is lacking.
      Better be sure Frankie is worth 12+ mill not sure the pick is worth much.
    1. diehardtwinsfan's Avatar
      diehardtwinsfan -
      and his success has hardly been bad... granted, he was a bit better in the lower minors, to be expected, but he still struk out 8.44/9 in 21 starts at AA and had 10.3/9 in 4 starts in AAA that same year. The ERA wasn't quite there, and his AAA numbers are definitely in SSS territory given that he's had 5 starts there in his career. His HR/9 rate has gone up at each level though his major league line is not that far off from his minor league career line. And he's 22. Most pitchers experience some bumps when they come up. I guess I don't see why this is a bad prospect. Could the Twins find better with a supplemental pick in the first round?
    1. Nick Nelson's Avatar
      Nick Nelson -
      Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
      I would be disappointed in the return for Liriano if all they got was Randall Delgado.
      Really? Wow. Not me.
    1. Thrylos's Avatar
      Thrylos -
      Delgado was #46 prospect this season and #35 last season according to the BA. If the Twins get a 22 year old MLB-ready SP top 50 prospect for Liriano, it would not be bad at all...
    1. PseudoSABR's Avatar
      PseudoSABR -
      A Sanchez (plus Infante) fetched, Turner a top 20 prospect.
    1. Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
      Brock Beauchamp -
      I would have been really happy with Delgado for Liriano.
    1. PseudoSABR's Avatar
      PseudoSABR -
      So far, I'm pretty surprised by what teams are willing to give up...
    1. darin617's Avatar
      darin617 -
      Quote Originally Posted by YourHouseIsMyHouse View Post
      I will be very disappointed if Minnesota doesn't keep Liriano.
      I will be very disappointed if Minnesota keep Liriano. Time to rebuild, he is the big trade chip and there is nothing stopping the Twins from signing him back in the offseason.
    1. darin617's Avatar
      darin617 -
      Quote Originally Posted by rocketpig View Post
      On the other hand, Butera caught Liriano last season and both were awful. In Liriano's best season, Mauer primarily caught him.

      Let's not start dishing off credit to undeserving players. Liriano is pitching better because he's throwing harder, not because he has a different catcher.
      Don't say that, we can package Butera along with Frankie and get a top prospect in return.
    1. jm3319's Avatar
      jm3319 -
      that sound you hear is the window of opportunity for trading liriano for anything decent closing. 2.2 IP 7ER and 3HR doesn't inspire confidence in any buyer.
    1. TheLeviathan's Avatar
      TheLeviathan -
      Hopefully this didn't cost us a Delgado/Turner type prospect. Unload him before anyone recognizes the real Frankie again.
    1. old nurse's Avatar
      old nurse -
      The way Liriano pitched tonight i would say he wants to remain a Twin.
    1. twinsnorth49's Avatar
      twinsnorth49 -
      So much for that throwing harder theory. His location is way more key to his success, when's he got his two seamer running low and away it sets up his slider, the rest is gravy.
    1. twinsfan214's Avatar
      twinsfan214 -
      Groan! The way Frankie's outing went last night, no one will want him. He'll be gone anyway but it would have been sooooo nice to get something for him. UGH!
    1. Nick Nelson's Avatar
      Nick Nelson -
      I think people are overreacting a little bit to one bad start. GMs don't make any decisions on the basis of one outing.
    1. twinsnorth49's Avatar
      twinsnorth49 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Nick Nelson View Post
      I think people are overreacting a little bit to one bad start. GMs don't make any decisions on the basis of one outing.
      I concur, he gave up the 3 big shots and wasn't locating well to say the least but it wasn't like he had no clue where the strike zone was, unlike earlier in the year. I think he remains interesting considering the needs of some teams and who is still out there.
    1. SpiritofVodkaDave's Avatar
      SpiritofVodkaDave -
      Quote Originally Posted by twinsnorth49 View Post
      I concur, he gave up the 3 big shots and wasn't locating well to say the least but it wasn't like he had no clue where the strike zone was, unlike earlier in the year. I think he remains interesting considering the needs of some teams and who is still out there.
      Don't try to sugarcoat that start, it was awful.

      Still like Nick said, this isnt going to hurt his value THAT much, though it certainly doesn't help.
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