• Trade Flatline

    Tuesday's 3:00 PM trade deadline came and went with Minnesota, for a second consecutive year, standing pat.

    There's a lot of frustration being directed toward the Twins, who unlike other cellar-dwellers around the league weren't able to unload assets for impact prospects. Their only trade sent Francisco Liriano to the White Sox for a meager return. In short, the franchise did very little to aid its rebuilding effort.

    But, in reflecting on these past days, there's one very important point to keep in mind: no trade is better than a bad trade.

    Dealing away Liriano was essentially a no-brainer, given that he'll be a free agent at year's end. Shipping out Carl Pavano and Matt Capps would have also been obvious moves, even if there wasn't much coming back, but unfortunately both are sitting on the disabled list indefinitely (and still could be traded in August).

    The rest of the team's trade candidates, from Denard Span to Josh Willingham to Justin Morneau to Jared Burton to Glen Perkins, are all under control beyond this year. These aren't guys you trade just to trade. Given that every single one of those names has appeared in reported trade rumors over the past few days and weeks, it seems clear that Terry Ryan was busily working to assess their markets and find a sensible deal.

    In the end, he didn't get the kind of offers that he felt merited giving up pieces with long-term value. It's tough to blame him for that. There will be other opportunities to shop these players in the future (in fact, I suspect we'll see Span and Morneau's names floated quite a bit during the offseason).

    Earlier this week I wrote about a hard truth that became evident in the Liriano trade and also through some of the quotes surfacing from rival general managers about the the Twins' sky-high asking prices for their trade chips. For various reasons, despite the increased number of buyers, teams around the league just weren't willing to pay up for what the Twins were selling.

    In a situation like that, standing pat was really the only logical course of action. And it leaves Ryan with plenty of options during the offseason.
    This article was originally published in blog: Trade Flatline started by Nick Nelson
    Comments 45 Comments
    1. TheLeviathan's Avatar
      TheLeviathan -
      Quote Originally Posted by snepp View Post
      Burton, as a "non-closer" with limited back-to-back days usage, likely wouldn't have significant value. I'd rather keep him around on the cheap for next year than deal him away for a pittance.
      My caution is this - just because we didn't do something doesn't mean we made the right decision. I prefer to think that we got crappy offers, but what the Reds gave up for Broxton (a guy with plenty of red flags himself) indicates that there was at least some willingness to shell out. Burton's best value was likely to be at the deadline, that doesn't mean we got an offer we should have taken (none of us know that), but just because we held him doesn't necessarily mean we got bad offers.

      We may find out that we passed on some deals we'll later regret. Or we may find out we were right to just hang on to these guys. Our track record the last 5 years of sell low and buy high makes me very skeptical of that reaction.
    1. nicksaviking's Avatar
      nicksaviking -
      Quote Originally Posted by RIP BYTO View Post
      I agree. If you take away the AJ trade from TR's resume what do you have left? He's a bum for a GM.
      I haven't defended Ryan much lately but he needs some defense here. There was already another thread showing how the Knoblauch trade is still paying dividends. Bobby Kielty for Shannon Stewert was a great trade, Dave Hollins for David Ortiz was a shrewd move as was Roberto Kelly for Joe Mays. He traded Rick Aguilera to the Red Sox and got two prospects back knowing full well that Aguilera was going to re-sign with the Twins in the offseason.

      You'd get little arguement that recent moves have been poor, but that's mostly due to inactivity. He has seemed to be gunshy which may have led to the indecisiveness and no/poor returns with the Hunter and Santana exits, but he certainly does have more than just one positive trade under his belt.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      I have no idea on the answer, just trying to get a sense of what Ryan has done before, but other than the big trade, how many trades has he made where he got a guy that contributed for 3-5 years? I recall the Stewart trade with fondness, for example, but that was mostly short term. Also, how often has he traded a big time prospect for big time MLB player? I think that one is zero. I would expect his trends to continue....just trying to understand what they are.
    1. RIP BYTO's Avatar
      RIP BYTO -
      Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
      I haven't defended Ryan much lately but he needs some defense here. There was already another thread showing how the Knoblauch trade is still paying dividends. Bobby Kielty for Shannon Stewert was a great trade, Dave Hollins for David Ortiz was a shrewd move as was Roberto Kelly for Joe Mays. He traded Rick Aguilera to the Red Sox and got two prospects back knowing full well that Aguilera was going to re-sign with the Twins in the offseason.

      You'd get little arguement that recent moves have been poor, but that's mostly due to inactivity. He has seemed to be gunshy which may have led to the indecisiveness and no/poor returns with the Hunter and Santana exits, but he certainly does have more than just one positive trade under his belt.
      I'll give you the Kielty trade, but I can't give him any credit for Ortiz. He basically told Ortiz to take a hike and we all know what happened after that. Joe Mays? LOL nope!. Don't even know who he got for Aggy. His poor moves far out way his good moves in my opinion.
    1. TKGuy's Avatar
      TKGuy -
      My gosh, people need to step away from the edge, it's going to take a couple of years
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