08-29-2012, 01:53 PM #41
I agree with your last comment on the elite pitching contracts... However in the context of the current Twins... I think they have no choice but to go after one of them. Haren or Shields. The Twins have to take a big run... Overpay for one of them. And then pray for health and success. I'd overpay for one and build a church at the same time.
08-29-2012, 02:15 PM #42
My starting 5 look like this:
With Baker and Gibson arriving after demonstrating consistent success at AAA -- it may not happen for either.... gulp.Man is born free, but everywhere he is in chains.
08-29-2012, 02:23 PM #43
You all realize that everything Ryan says needs to be taken with a grain of salt? GM doublespeak abound.
08-29-2012, 02:45 PM #44
GM doublespeak may abound but I will be absolutely shocked if Terry Ryan spends more than $15 million on FA starting pitching and I sincerely doubt that he'll spend that much. I think that Ultimate Ratio may be right about Baker in the $3 million range. Then another in the $8-$10 million range.
More than that? Highly unlikely. I honestly don't think that he is being deceptive on this point. I think he has been pretty honest and pretty consistent about his stance on FA pitching. Keep your expectations pretty darn reasonable.
08-29-2012, 02:55 PM #45
Bull, that's why I don't like him and no one will trade with him, The whole F.O, is a bunch of crooks.
08-29-2012, 03:21 PM #46
1. Haren or Shields
3. Traded for young pitcher with upside (this one will be harder and it doesn't matter who).
5. Rule 5 pickup
6. At least two Decent Improved options in AAA or AA. Hopefully another young arm dealt for and Minor League Free Agent.
On the interview itself... Fire Dan Gladden, Birdwatcher, Ultima are correct. It would be absolutely stupid of Terry Ryan to sit down with a reporter and say... We are going to replace Gardenhire at the end of the year... Morneau is gone... I'm telling you now so get ready for it. This organization is trouble and I blame everybody else but me.
If you are ever interviewed and you provide answers like that... You will be paying for it in ways you would have never imagined. You will paying for it dealing with the aftermath and that will involve people that actually matter.
It's also arguable that granting an interview to the press at all is a fairly stupid move because anything said... Truthful, Bent, Safe or Dangerous will be torn apart like it's Bambi captured by a pack of Hyena's and Buzzards. Look no furthur than this thread for proof of that.
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08-29-2012, 03:23 PM #47
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08-29-2012, 05:06 PM #50
Terry Ryan is the GM of a MLB team. Part of his job is PR, which involves responding to the press, which is one way you generate interest in your product, which is part of how you sell tickets.
Ignoring your customers is rarely a good business strategy.
08-29-2012, 05:19 PM #51
08-29-2012, 05:42 PM #52
I don't think the Twins should just go out and sell Morneau, pay him, hope he hits next year well. Would get more value next year at the deadline anyways.
I'm not opposed to incentive deals for a Pavano or a Baker, but if they sign them for too much, are not 100% and struggle I don't want Ryan to pull his I made the moves bs that I've heard before.
The Twins need to make some coaching changes, I don't care. but somethings need to go.
The Twins need to re-evaluate someone or thing within their medical staff. This Span situation is a joke, they handled Plouffe poorly and Pavano pretty bad as well. And they made many similar moves in similar situations last year.
I do think the Twins need to trade Span and I'd look at trading Willingham if the right offer came around. I was opposed to it, but if you look at the Twins farm system the one area where there is talent is in the OF. IF and its a big IF Parmellee can go out and play RF respectively you can move Revere over to center. Mastronni can play out there, but Hicks looks to be ready or at least close, Arcia, is in AA, Benson who did struggle this year but if you look at his minor league history when healthy he played well, and when not he didn't, so it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for him to have a solid year next year and be ready for the majors. 2 other top 10 prospects are minor leaguers as well in Rosario and Morales.
So you could trade those two for pitchers, and I don't think too much would drop off.
08-29-2012, 08:22 PM #53
Kevin Smith is the PR director I believe and he has to make sure that people don't say anything stupid. Rookies are trained and the vets like Ryan and Gardy are experienced at the process. They are not going to slip up. We are not going to know what is happening with Morneau and Span and the future because if he says whats on his mind. He's got a bunch people in his office the next morning.
Terry Ryan, Gardy, Coaches, the players make themselves available for interviews. They need to be somewhat accessable... They know what they can say and what they can't say and they can't tell you what they are completely thinking because they will get ripped apart. Fans upset is one thing but you can't make waves in your own walls.
Terry Ryan provided the safe answers that are as predictable as possible and he still got ripped apart.
Saying PR is part of his job is correct. It is... Just like cleaning up puke in the bathroom is part of the job of a bartender.
Its too late now... Just want to point out that we get **** for quotes that you cant trust because we can't handle the truth.
08-29-2012, 09:01 PM #54
Ownership will not be happy with this interview
I am sure the moment this hit the newspaper stands twins lost about 100 Season Ticket Holders.
- But it seems they don't care as they already got their money from the Hennepin County Tax Payer.
What a nightmare.
08-30-2012, 11:04 PM #55
I've always loved the fact that the Twins' brass can come out and say the things that they have proven, time and again, to be completely in line with their philosophy, and people are still willing to believe that it is misdirection and duplicity.
If Terry Ryan gave an interview stating that the Twins were considering drafting a low-ceiling control pitcher or a toolsy outfielder, we'd still have folks trying to convince everyone that he's trying to throw other front offices off the scent.