Mackey: Twins lineup doing well without Span

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Originally Posted by Twins Twerp

Souhan is an idiot. I don't know why you would quote him considering that station is not listenable. If you listened to KFAN, or just PA, that is the real news. The other guys in town are just idiots. And they don't talk sports most of the time. I hate turning on a radio station and hearing talk about the Law or talk about pop culture. Why can't we just talk about the twins all day long, throw in some vikings, throw in ALOT of Lynx talk, sprinkle in some Rubio. Boom you've got a full show. Instead we have top 10 lists related to stupid things people do. Get on another station. Minnesota radio is the WORST...except for PA

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Jim Souhan probably started the (Twins angry at Span talk) That is why I cited him.

The rules of TD clearly state that no personal insults are to be leveled at Twins players, the front office, or journalists. There are multiple instances of it in this thread. The next ones to do it will be facing a 3 day ban.

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Originally Posted by TK10

PA is, by a mile, the most vile and vomit-inducing cretin to ever be given control of the airwaves. He's an empty-headed jock-sniffer of the highest order.

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Yikes, tell me how you really feel. I am going to have to disagree. I think he is funny, savy, and smart in his sports takes. He always keeps things in perspective is always positive. His speaking manurisms are hilarious. 50 shades of PA? Are you serious, I laugh my bum off when I hear that stuff. The guys at 1500, and the afternoon guys on KFAN, just not that good. I am a big non fan of common. If you said this poop tastes bad, he would say this poop taste good. He is a poor man's Colin Cowherd. Guerro is a little more stomachable, but not much. And 1500, Ruesse, has such a winey, icky voice. I just can't listen. I do rarely, like when my choice is death or 1500, I pick 1500 because my life is worth living and the show is better than death, barely.

I apologize for calling 1500 idiots. They clearly are not, they are getting paid to do what we do all day, they live the life. I apologize for calling them idiots.

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Originally Posted by Twins Twerp

I apologize for calling 1500 idiots. They clearly are not, they are getting paid to do what we do all day, they live the life. I apologize for calling them idiots.

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Don't worry about it too much, just try to tone it down in future posts. It's a fine line to cross but we try to make sure that public personalities don't have too many insults leveled at this in this forum. I know I've been guilty of it in the past so it's something I have to work on as well.

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Originally Posted by mike wants wins

given that Willingham is their largest free agent contract ever, and Ryan has said the free agent pitching market is thin, why would you expect them to sign two big time free agent pitchers? Has any team ever done that in one off season?

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Of course Ryan never actually said that.... The Twin's also have never been in the position their in now. Money to spend, no long term contracts in the pitching staff, terrible rotation. Now maybe Ryan signs some decent starters and maybe he doesn't but you can't criticize him for things he didn't actually say and hasn't actually done.

PA may be a jock sniffer, but his brown nosing ways get the players to open up to him. You'd learn more about Span and his attitudes toward the club and trade situations listening to him and PA's show once weekly than you'll learn from Souhan's 2nd or 3rd hand gossip.

Someone above mentioned that Hick's is actually Span's eventual replacement, thus we should not be compraing the merits of Revere's defense over Span's. I think it goes further than that, as offensively Hicks also may be a more projectable replacement. He is a very strong OBP guy, as Span was during his best years. If Hicks' AA numbers translate at all to the MLB level, I would think his high OBP would cause the manager to put him ahead of Revere in the lineup.

According to an article written by souhan he said that. Has any MLB team signed their top two pitchers in one free agent year, ever?

Maybe I should just stop, we have last year, and years prior to show his philosophy. I see no evidence it has changed. Why should I think it has changed in your opinion?

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Originally Posted by mike wants wins

According to an article written by souhan he said that. Has any MLB team signed their top two pitchers in one free agent year, ever?

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Actually, according to Souhan, Ryan said the "Elite FA Pitching Market is thin"

Ah, sorry, I forgot that word was in there. Has any MLB team ever signed their top 2 pitchers, and had them been good enough to take them anyplace meaningful, in one offseason?

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Originally Posted by SweetOne69

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Originally Posted by mike wants wins

According to an article written by souhan he said that. Has any MLB team signed their top two pitchers in one free agent year, ever?

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Actually, according to Souhan, Ryan said the "Elite FA Pitching Market is thin"

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Yeah. I would have to agree with Ryan. Actually non-existent. So you got to trade Span (and Morneau and maybe prospects) to fix the rotation. And unless the rotation is fixed the Twins will not content so they will be wasting Morneau's last season and Span's high value.

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Originally Posted by SweetOne69

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Originally Posted by mike wants wins

According to an article written by souhan he said that. Has any MLB team signed their top two pitchers in one free agent year, ever?

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Actually, according to Souhan, Ryan said the "Elite FA Pitching Market is thin"

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Yeah. I would have to agree with Ryan. Actually non-existent. So you got to trade Span (and Morneau and maybe prospects) to fix the rotation. And unless the rotation is fixed the Twins will not content so they will be wasting Morneau's last season and Span's high value.

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You're not going to fix the rotation by trading Morneau and Span. neither of these players have significant trade value because of the injuries they have had the past couple of seasons. The only thing you gain with trading these two now is the ability to later complain that they sold low.

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Originally Posted by nicksaviking

PA may be a jock sniffer, but his brown nosing ways get the players to open up to him. You'd learn more about Span and his attitudes toward the club and trade situations listening to him and PA's show once weekly than you'll learn from Souhan's 2nd or 3rd hand gossip.

Someone above mentioned that Hick's is actually Span's eventual replacement, thus we should not be compraing the merits of Revere's defense over Span's. I think it goes further than that, as offensively Hicks also may be a more projectable replacement. He is a very strong OBP guy, as Span was during his best years. If Hicks' AA numbers translate at all to the MLB level, I would think his high OBP would cause the manager to put him ahead of Revere in the lineup.

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Boom. This is exactly correct. Hicks is Span's replacement (and upgrade *crosses fingers*).

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Originally Posted by mike wants wins

Ah, sorry, I forgot that word was in there. Has any MLB team ever signed their top 2 pitchers, and had them been good enough to take them anyplace meaningful, in one offseason?

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Point taken. I am going to hope that it happened with Schilling and RJ. What did the Phillies do with regard to Oswalt and Lee? The first would satisfy both conditions . . . if true. The second weren't THE top, more like the 2 and the 4 and of course they didn't win.

I am not saying that they even need a 1 and a 2, but more like a 1 and a 3 or 4. I do believe that there may be some arbitration-year guys with good seasons that could be swapped with Morneau and each side throwing in some other minor pieces, if the Twins don't sign two pitchers.

After ColbyLewis had TJ and McCarthy nearly died the FA market is down to 4 total pitchers (I think) that I would consider #1-3 MLB starters. Greinke, Marcum, Sanchez and Jackson. I would consider it very difficult to sign half of the good starters in the market in one offseason considering that nearly every team needs pitching.

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Originally Posted by mike wants wins

Maybe I should just stop, we have last year, and years prior to show his philosophy. I see no evidence it has changed. Why should I think it has changed in your opinion?

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I'm not claiming Ryan's opinion has changed. I am claiming that the circumstances have changed. Right now there is a combination of factors TR has never had to face in his career as GM. He has quite a bit of money available (or could with a trade), he has virtually no contracts for his pitching staff, he has a staff that has been terrible, and he has little help coming from the minors in the next 3 years or so.

Given these circumstances there is at least some reason to think he might sign a decent FA pitcher. At a minimum there is enough uncertainty to forgo drawing any firm conclusions on what Ryan will or will not do.