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Picking nits a little here, but TR didn't select Santana in the Rule 5. The Astros did, then Ryan flipped Jared Camp (who?) for Santana. Still a great move though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twins Twerp
To the OP - it's not real exciting to sign minor league free agents, but you should wait until the Twins sign major league free agents to be bothered by it. Every team is signing minor league free agents, we just never hear it because even in those other teams' markets it's not a big story.
Holy Overreaction. Its not even Thanksgiving. While they dip into rochester because of ineffectiveness, they also had to replace Pavano, Baker, and Capps all during the season. Not one good or even decent pitcher has signed anywhere. The winter meetings haven't even started and that is where a lot of trades and signings happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by darin617If they would have signed better pitchers they wouldn't have called up all those "quality" arms form Rochester. Obviously no decent pitcher is going to sign before Zach Greinke signs his deal. by looking at the free agent SP there are about 15-20 good starters to choose from and the Twins need to add 3 arms by either FA or trade. So I guess the best thing to do is sit back and do nothing until after the Winter meetings and then we can have another season of disappointment...Quote:
Originally Posted by Roaddog
loopsided trade? really a young proven allstar catcher for a "-# starter and boof and frankie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Twins Twerp
lets not forget aj had just hit .300 or was it only.298 , he has power, he is very good behind the plate and he is left handed...personally i think terry lyan made 1 lucky trade as he claimed boof was the key player in the traded...another soft tossing controll pitcher,
All trades have a certain amount of luck to them. I dont think he ever claimed Boof was key to the trade. I believe that was Nathan, as Liriano was basically a throw in if i remember correctly. But i do agree, Ryan needs to get something done. I cautiously optimistic because i dont remember hearing this much chatter about FA's and trades in awhile
The Twins had 19 minor league guys elect free agency (not counting guys that re-signed). So at the minimum the Twins will probably at least replace those guys.
No-hit Eric Fryer will replace one of the no-hit catchers (Rivera or Towles) that left. Wood will solidify the Red Wings bullpen, if he can't break camp with the big club.
I do find it a little interesting that these moves are being announced now, leaving these guys exposed for the Rule V draft (not that it should really matter), but typically the "Spring Training Invites" aren't announced until later. The Twins signed R.A. Dickey to a minor-league contract early in the offseason a few years ago and promptly lost him to the Mariners in the Rule V draft.
I won't overreact unless the Twins announce a signing of a "who's that?" to a Major League deal... there are still eight open 40-man spots.
I can understand the frustration - it seems like the big moves should happen first and the little moves later. If Ryan could choose, I'm sure that's what he would prefer.
But that's not the way the timing of the offseason is. The big free agents get a sense of what their market is now. They don't sign unless they get an offer they can't refuse, or blows away their expectations. Meanwhile, there are a lot of minor league free agents who are antsy - they want a shot next year and preferably in an organization where they have a decent path to the majors.
I'm guessing both Fryer and Wood fall into that category. Wood (or his agent) know that they Twins called up a bunch of relievers last year for a shot. Fryer looks at the depth chart and sees Drew Butera as his competition. Thus, quick signings.
What? There are no pay cut restrictions on free agents.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnydakota
I really think that one of the Leeds soccer guys is still mad at the Twins for using their song. A new way to attack a site.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneppWhat? There are no pay cut restrictions on free agents.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnydakota
I won't be worried about Ryan is doing (or not) until good starting pitchers start coming off the market (or an available SS is acquired by someone for what the Twins could have done). Nothing real has happened for any team yet.
It's what we doQuote:
Originally Posted by darin617
How many teams have so many glaring problems to fix with no immediate help in sight from the farm system? Are there teams needing 4 starting pitchers, a shortstop a 2B and a 3B?Quote:
Originally Posted by mike wants wins
Excuse me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Twins Twerp
When? World Series?
Only once the TR teams moved to the ALCS and then that team lost. In his time as a GM he built teams that were winning AL Central championships often and then bowed out in the post-season in the 2000s and teams that were in the basement in the 90s and 2010s so far.
C'mon seriously do you really have a problem with the moves so far? Your statement is absolutely correct but I have a hard time believing you feel as if something different should have happened by now, unless you advocate just throwing as much money as possible to someone so that they can't say no, a real sound strategy and one I know you wouldn't advoacte.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePuckHow many teams have so many glaring problems to fix with no immediate help in sight from the farm system? Are there teams needing 4 starting pitchers, a shortstop a 2B and a 3B?Quote:
Originally Posted by mike wants wins
The point is nothing big has really happened and it won't until the big names start coming off the board, Ryan can't force paper to pen with any of these guys and we all know the top of the class isn't coming anyway.
Well I'll never claim to being as wise as you but I would call any team that moved to a league championship game a World Series contender. Anytime you're within 8 wins of winning it all, you're a contender.Quote:
Originally Posted by thrylos98Excuse me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Twins Twerp
When? World Series?
Only once the TR teams moved to the ALCS and then that team lost. In his time as a GM he built teams that were winning AL Central championships often and then bowed out in the post-season in the 2000s and teams that were in the basement in the 90s and 2010s so far.
With playoffs being such a small sample, stuff happens.
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Originally Posted by darin617If they would have signed better pitchers they wouldn't have called up all those "quality" arms form Rochester. Obviously no decent pitcher is going to sign before Zach Greinke signs his deal. by looking at the free agent SP there are about 15-20 good starters to choose from and the Twins need to add 3 arms by either FA or trade. So I guess the best thing to do is sit back and do nothing until after the Winter meetings and then we can have another season of disappointment...Quote:
Originally Posted by Roaddog
Well there you go, what do you suggest TR should have done by now then, sign Greinke? You've successfully contradicted yourself.
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Originally Posted by sneppWhat? There are no pay cut restrictions on free agents.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnydakota
Don't let facts get in the way of a bad argument.
Technically, three wins in 04 (to be a WS contender).Quote:
Originally Posted by twinsnorth49Well I'll never claim to being as wise as you but I would call any team that moved to a league championship game a World Series contender. Anytime you're within 8 wins of winning it all, you're a contender.Quote:
Originally Posted by thrylos98Excuse me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Twins Twerp
When? World Series?
Only once the TR teams moved to the ALCS and then that team lost. In his time as a GM he built teams that were winning AL Central championships often and then bowed out in the post-season in the 2000s and teams that were in the basement in the 90s and 2010s so far.
With playoffs being such a small sample, stuff happens.
The Owner's meeting is this week. Any huge deals are probably going to need owner approval at least, so I don't expect to see any key figures sign until after those meetings.
And whoever mentioned it earlier is probably right, no decent starting pitcher is going to sign before Grienke does. They want to see what he gets, and judge their salaries against that.
Another key deadline is Dec 2nd, the last day to offer contracts. While it won't really matter to "star" players, a lot of the mid level free agents will probably benefit from holding out until after then, when it becomes a little clearer exactly which teams have which holes.