11-29-2012, 11:39 AM #81
If anyone has a photo of a derailed train handy, now might be a good time to post it.
11-29-2012, 11:41 AM #82
11-29-2012, 01:10 PM #83
11-29-2012, 01:28 PM #84
Personally... I don't want Liriano... I recognize his stuff and Do think its possible that he puts it together somewhere... Just not in Minnesota. The conclusion I have drawn from watching him is... Hole digger!!!
Too many holes personally dug by him for the team to climb out of. I'd rather have the guy who gives up a run or two to often than the guy who gives up 5 in an inning to often.
To contradict myself in the same post... I don't have a problem signing the guy for real low money because we need to acquire arms and lots of them... but we gotta have a clear exit strategy should he implode again. IE... He is cut or into the bullpen within a month of failure...
and to contradict myself again... We need to take a chance or two on guys like Liriano... I'd rather take that chance on Hochever because at least he will be a fresh face struggling.
11-29-2012, 02:19 PM #85
Yeah, that jokin. What a class act.
Nick, the argument I'd make against signing Liriano is that it's almost completely predictable that he'll go into a long, long streak where he unravels. As emotionally distraught as some fans get, think of how much this shatters the bullpen for game after game. How it increases the prospects for injury. And the emotional toll on everyone else on the team should be considered. So, while Liriano has more upside, he has less reliability.
And, I'd be willing to bet that Pedro Hernandez and Samuel Deduno will both outperform him, especially in terms of quality starts and innings pitched per start.
11-29-2012, 03:41 PM #86
11-29-2012, 04:08 PM #87
I set you up for that, Dave. I'm only disappointed that it took you so long to respond.
11-29-2012, 04:15 PM #88
11-29-2012, 04:23 PM #89
Every pitcher in baseball has a good outing or two on occasion. It is the nature of the game. Drew Butera had a .732 ops in May last year.
Even with his sporadic "brilliance," his numbers prove he is a very bad pitcher.
11-29-2012, 04:37 PM #90
The reason Liriano is worth a gamble isn't his brief moments of brilliance. It's the steaming pile of garbage we have for current options. That's the only reason the suggestion is palatable.
You admit that your frustration with him is tied up in emotion, and that's sort of my point. I believe that his struggles overshadow his strengths in the minds of many fans who have watched it all unfold. As Pseudo pointed out, he's the kind of upside play that the vast majority of people would be on board with if they hadn't experienced his downside up close over these last few years.
I wasn't criticizing the viewpoint that he shouldn't be brought back so much as the viewpoints that he's terrible and useless.
And, even then, it starts to look a whole lot less reasonable when you admit he's like to get 6+ million to get him. Baker's looking mighty nice these days at 5 isn't he?
11-29-2012, 04:59 PM #91
11-29-2012, 05:19 PM #92
It looks like consensus is that Liriano sucks.
11-30-2012, 01:00 PM #93
11-30-2012, 05:27 PM #94