This explanation also doesn't really explain why he was the opening day starter last year. Couldn't the team assess during spring training that he was eminently hittable? Or did they look past that, because, at the time, he showed a real desire to "get after it?"
Further, at the time of the deal, Worley was presented as a sure thing and May was presented as a lottery ticket, whereas this explanation suggests that Worley was considered to be more like a Jared Burton lottery ticket - someone who was injured and had the chance to recover past success, albeit at a much larger cost than Jared Burton.
I heard the Twins got more money for Worley than the Red Sox got for selling Babe Ruth. Babe Ruth!!
How could the Twins say no to that kind of proposition from Pittsburgh?
The top prospects could move more quickly than young guys typically do. Berrios was supposed to be on the fast track. Thorpe could join him. Stewart is very advanced for his age. Gonsalves is a comer.
Point is, they have more depth than they've had in a long time. They can afford to lose Worley and chalk it up as a failed experiment. When you can't find room for a guy in Rochester, it's no big loss.
Not all trades work out well, but by 2015 or 2016 Revere was going to be a 4th outfielder here and have very little value. You get what value you can, some trades are not going to work out.
About the Pirates, Liarano is back to throwing mainly sliders(that is what wreaked his arm in the first place). That could mean he has 1-3 years before his next TJ surgery. Don Cooper (the White Sox pitching coach) is very highly respected in the baseball business. He could not fix Liarano.
I'm not hand ringing over this deal....and my comment about money was meant to be humorous, but that didn't work, obviously. I'm still mocking the trade for Worley and May....that is the one that hurts.
I am a little surprised by this. I guess if and when an injury happens at the major league level or one of the 5 isn't performing, Deduno will move from the pen into the rotation. I guess Meyer or Diamond gets the 2nd and 3rd shot.
I don't understand the deal but if this is the Twins worst personnel move of 2014 let's call it a win. He's turrble.
Well, I said in that post that I don't think he is a 4th OF......and May is an unknown, as I said earlier in the thread. I am baffled people are so sure Revere isn't good.....he was 24 and had just put up 3 WAR when dealt......and, frankly, I'm tired of only being worried about 2015/16/17, and waiting for some future that keeps getting moved out a year.
We don't agree. Revere has value imo, and you don't think so.
A couple things to keep in mind:
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2. It was obvious the FO lost confidence in him. Cripes Dave St Peter blasted him at the Twins Daily event and he usually finds good things to say about everyone.
3. Worley's performance proved he is roster filler at this point. He can be replaced by just about anyone in the organization or off the street. Why not try someone new? Its not like is someone got hurt they were ever going to call him up.
4. He likely asked for the trade. While the Twins FO might be one of the worst in professional sports from just about every measure, the one thing they are not is petty. They aren't going to keep a guy they don't value against his wishes just because they can. They should get credit for that.
5. Maybe they have their eye on someone else's roster to take the spot in Rochester through a trade or waiver pick up.
In the end there was something odd about Worley the entire time he was here. Part of me thinks he was damaged goods coming over from Philadelphia. You don't go from being a promising young pitcher doing it in the majors to honestly maybe being the worst pitcher in the league in 6 months. Injury would be the most likely cause of that quick decline. The initial injury probably happened before he came over from Philadelphia.
Maybe a new start with a new club helps him. Wouldn't be the first time a player got better after leaving the team.
1. He never regained the forearm strength you need to throw his signature pitch. I.e. he was damaged goods. Perhaps there was some UCL fraying caused by the chips that went unreported and affected his ability to get on top of the ball and pitch "out front" to use Bert's terminology.
2. He never was as good as his numbers suggested. Maybe the red flag was all those called third strikes. The way he threw the sinker, it was basically a trick pitch. Once people figured it out, they at least fouled it off.
3. His long layoff led to losing the feel for his trick pitch.
I suspect it was a combination, but his comments suggest it was mostly 1. He said "I couldn't get the ball down to save my life last year." That suggests it was more physical than mental. The fact that it is 18 months since the surgery and he still can't get the ball down means he might be done, at least until he has TJ surgery.
Gibson missed 1.5 years on TJ, also which the first year back also widely considered to be a throw away year. He was still much more effective than Worley was in the minors last year.
I have 0 issues with letting Worley walk for nothing, obviously if a single other team thought so they would have moved even a C level prospect for him.
I agree in the games I watched Worley there was very little movement on the ball and the batters were squaring it up with ease. He needed better stuff to keep them off balance. Maybe if he starts throwing his slider more things will be better for him but the stuff I saw wasn't good enough to stay in MLB.
Worth remembering that Worley's "two seasons" of success in Philadelphia were actually both partial seasons, only about 130 IP each. And the last half of his 2nd partial season for Philly was pretty mediocre (65 IP, 5.68 ERA, 6.4 K/9) so his real run of quality MLB pitching was only about 1 full season. And he really didn't have that great of a K rate in the minors either -- his 2011 season (and early 2012) was really a standout in that regard.
The Phillies have a very good recent track record with pitching -- none of Happ, Worley, or Kendrick were ever that highly regarded or "top 100" prospects, but I'll be darned if they didn't all become roughly league average starters in MLB (not an easy thing to do). And the Phillies successfully sold high on both Happ & Worley, and gotten some cheap innings eaten by Kendrick the last few years.