And it seems clear that this is one area where Gardy has zero say on personnel decisions and defaults to the party line, much like his comments in the wake of Nishioka being forced back into the lineup for the Nishi swan song tour.
You want him to back Correia? Fine....he didn't even do that. He talked about his payroll number and then dogged some important prospects. It's indefensible as a tactic and incredibly poor personnel relations.
Either way, it's his job to field those questions in a responsible way. That's what being the manager partly entails. (And if he's going to be irresponsible...I wish he was harsher on the veterans and not on the kids as he typically is)
However, what I do mind is, in contrast, the long-time criticism of struggling younger players, many of whom with more talent and upside than the struggling veterans. Sometimes this criticism is done directly by Twins on-field or upstairs management, and sometimes it is done through favored proxies in the press corps. It seems to be in contrast to the style of teams like Tampa, Texas and Oakland, who have had good success at plugging in new players. The criticism of young players also seems to delay or prevent their success. (For another recent local example of publicly criticizing young players, see Smith, Tubby.)
In summary, I don't mind publicly defending a struggling veteran, even if he's struggling to achieve his usual mediocre results, but I really don't like the contrasting behavior of publicly criticizing struggling young players.
If people think leaving KY in the rotation is a good idea, fine with me. I have no interest in debating this anymore. Good luck winning those games. If the argument is that young players struggle when they first come up, that seems like an argument for calling them up sooner, so that next year, they are good.
25 and 21 when someone else starts the game besides Correia? WOW! I doubt any of us were aware of that until just now. Any way you want to play it, that's a pretty bold number that's hard to argue with. Before I say any more, please let me be clear about two things.
1) I didn't hear Gardy's comments. I didn't hear the tone of his voice. I also don't know if he was upset, goaded, tired, or anything else. I only have the words to read.
2) Nothing mean or personal, but I don't want Correia pitching for the Twins.
That being said, I really don't understand any fuss made over Gardy's comments. Rather, I see reactions to his comments being interpreted by devoted and sometimes frustrated and impatient fans. I mean, really, break it down. What did he say that is in any way inaccurate?
Is Correia currently part of the rotation? Yes. Is he being paid to do so? Yes. Will he be paid even if the Twins cut bait tomorrow? Yes. All reality until otherwise. Defending a veteran and a nice guy? Maybe. Might also be a blunt motivation signal to Correia to earn his keep.
He's aware of the guys in AAA and where they are? God, I sure hope he is! If he isn't getting updates and scouting reports then there is a serious dysfunction somewhere. The guys in AAA have had their ups and downs? No matter talent, projectables and quality seasons, is there something disparaging in this comment? No. It's simply the truth about a group of talented youngsters, chiefly May, Meyer and Darnell in their first or full AAA action. About a month and a half worth of AAA to be precise. Simply reading boxes and TD game reports will show you there is greatness with at least a little inconsistency here and there.
Long term are these guys all probably better than Correia? Absolutely! No question! And I can't wait to see them! But as Duluth fan pointed out, the Twins traditionally make mid-season promotions for their prospects, sometimes later. Is pitching the balance of June, or so, going to do anything to damage the development of these guys? Or might they get more starts, more innings, smooth out some things, gain even more confidence?
After three lousy and disappointing seasons, the Twins are trying to build on that 25-21. They are in rebuild, and they know it. And they know Correia isn't part of the future. There will be promotions and changes coming. I think they are simply trying to be competitive best they can, continue to build something, and are hesitant to just jump ship and flail the remainder of the season by just plugging in young rookies for the sake of playing them. But more to the point, I simply don't see anything in Gardy's words that are inflammatory unless you want to read them that way.
Sorry, I don't get the outrage on this. The decision to eat the contract and cut him is on the GM, not Gardy. He probably shouldn't have phrased it that way, but if you expected him to even start to throw Corriea under the bus, that was never happening.
ERA as the definative statistic for pitching? Really? Why not argue wins and losses define the pitcher? I am not defending Correia, but kind of irritated that poor arguements on this thread.
Did you you look who had the third worst qualified pitcher ERA and if so shouldn't this thread be about getting rid of 2 underperforming starters?
He's not part of the future and not helping the present, I could care less which stats you want to pick out of personal preference, none of them are going to be a ringing endorsement for him.
Don't see the fuss. Either he turns it around or he doesn't. If he doesn't after the next 2 or 3 starts you go to option B. That would have him out of here around the end of the month and you have another 2 to 3 weeks to see which of the AAA starters should be promoted.
If ERA is your criteria then you ought to be talking about getting rid of Nolasco for a while, too. Gardenhire can't rip on Correia because the prize free agent that will be paid for 4 years is performing equally bad. Micro thinking is not going to help anyone on this board view why the Twins are doing what they are doing. On the other hand, one could easily think that the under performing pitchers get a litle dl time so they can do a Pelfrey on them. It is not the Twins MO to rag on veterans.
As a back of the rotation starter both fip and WAR put Correia as a back of the rotation starter. That is what he was signed as, that is what he gives them.
He's 8th worst in xFIP. His .6 WAR makes him basically a replacement level player. When you're basically a replacement level player then you can default to other factors in replacing him....like any investment in him has zero payoff for the team. There is no long-term investment to make. There is no trade value to invest in. This isn't a good pitcher gone bad who needs time to sort it out. This is a bad pitcher gone worse and we have other replacement level guys we can try out and statistically have high odds of being at least slightly better.