NTM the game is different now, it's a QB driven league. The days of surrounding enough talent around a Brad Johnson or Cunningham are over.
"John Sullivan, one of the best centers in the league.." - Paul Allen
I don't know if Ponder will be any good or not, and with this bastard remnant of the kickass offense where they refuse to throw the ball down field nobody else will know until his contract is up. I'm sure he looks awesome in practice against Viking defensive backs though.
I have a better scenario: Ponder looks terrible first 5 games, Frazier flips out and goes to Joe Webb, who sucks equally. The rest of the year plays out with musical chairs lousy QBs, the Wilfs clean house and hire someone to hire someone to run the show.
BTW why do you fire a coach and keep his top assistant? Who does that? (Sorry that's last years argument but still frustrating.)
I don't get all the hate for Ponder. He only played half of the season and he wasn't terrible! This season will be make or break for him, but at least give him a chance. You're writing him off before he can show what he can do with a full off-season under his belt.
Bad pick, bad qb...I just want him to fail in spectacular fashion so the Vikings will realize he's worthless and move on.
Don't get me wrong, I am very skeptical with what Ponder can bring to the table, but I at least want to give him a season before I declare him a guy with no future.
I don't think anyone is claming that Ponder was some great pick, but at this point he is the best drafted QB we have grabbed in quite some time! Might as well give him a shot.
The whole "you need an elite QB to win a super bowl" may not be totally correct, its just heavily weighted since Brady and Eli (who considred him elite before the playoffs last year?) have won a ton of those over the past decade.
Eli is not an elite QB. I'm sorry but being good enough in close games with a great team around you does not ELITE make. Peyton is 10 times the qb that Eli could ever wish to be.
Teams live and die by their QB's now a days. Hell who even cares about defense anymore, the two worst defensive teams in the league last season were the #1 seeds going into the postseason. If you don't have elite QB in this league you have no chance at winning a Super Bowl.
I would argue that Rapesligberger is not "elite" yet continues to make and win super bowls.
You can build a super bowl caliber team around defense these days, it's just hard to do.
Also the Ravens and 49ers were each one fluke play away from the super bowl last year as well, both have pretty ho-hum QB's. I think Ponder could become as good as an Alex Smith or Joe Flacco some day if things break right.
One fluke play yes, but at the end of the day if the 49ers would have got even decent play outta Smith they would have blown the Giants away. But Smith played like crap and even a great defense can hold a team down for so long. Flacco has been a bit better then ho-hum the last couple seasons and he was great in the postseason last year. Good enough to win that game.
Exactly, but Flacco isn't some "elite" QB, he is a good QB. Somewhere around the 10-12 range. The notion that you need a Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, Manning type to compete in this league is incorrect.
There is no reason if things don't break right that Ponder can't eventually get into that range as well. Of course it would help if he wasn't surrounded by the worst WR and TE corp in football...
We had to talk over to BYTO and it was broken down into two groups. At the end of the day I think we agreed on 8 QB's that you can win a Super Bowl with now.
Group A: Brady, Rogers, Brees & the Mannings
Group B: Big Ben, Rivers & Stafford
Now clearly over time things will change, hell I personally think Peyton is done but I'll leave him in here for now. But could a Romo, Flacco, Ryan or Newton creep into Group B...ofcourse. But one of these 8 guys are more then likely gonna win the Super Bowl this season and it's cause they're the best QB's in the league and teams are driven by great QB play. You can compete without elite play, but you ain't winning a Super Bowl without it.
Not sure Big Ben belongs in Group B- I'd put him a notch below. Say what you want about the Steelers' O-Line, every time I turn around I swear Ben is getting sacked. His lack of mobility and his knack for racking up minor injuries. I'll any of the other guys over him. And what about Vick? His health is a big IF, but all things being equal, I think he is as good as most of the QBs listed above.
I agree that you shoudl sick of 35 year olds finishing their career in MN, as am I, but getting the sexy pick without fixing the line is far more likely to yield a Tim Couch than a Matt Stafford.