I do not lament losing something we have not had for awhile and we have not anything from Baker for a long, lo.g time. So, to me it is no loss at all. We can not afford to tie up big money with such a risk. Cubs got what they want, Baker got what he wants, and Twins got what they want ... they still have the $$$ to invest more wisely.
Keep Nathan? He did not want to stay. Keep Lariano? He simply was not consistent. It would have been nice to move him at high value, alas his irregular performance would not allow that.
want to trade Span and Morneau, guys who claim they want to be Twins and continue to pay their dues. Yet we expect others like Cuddy, Nathan, and others to stay here. We ought not have a double standard either. How can we expect guyx like Span and
Sorry About above errors. I gave up editing out obvious mistakes and redundant and incomplete thoughts.
Over/under 8 pages before we lock this thread?
Most of the anger towards thyros is obviously also with baker. I thought tthe post was dumb but i am more pissed it didnt come true. Now we have to go out and find another pitcher via free agency or trade. Y didnt we sign him,? I would have given him 6 mil plus incentives...this winter has barely begun i know, i just hope this isnt a sign of wbat is to come
It looks like the Twins will only have money for 1 FA pitcher at this market price. I also feel that giving a pitcher more than 4 years is a losing strategy unless he is and obvious ace(and the Twins seem not to have the money to sign these). I still hope they sign Marcum at what is looking like about 3 for $30 mil and trade for 2 - 3 other starters. Diffilcult yes,impossible no.
All this over a guy coming back from two major elbow ligament repairs?
Here is an interesting article that speculates that the main reason for the Cubs to acquire Baker is to use him as trade bait, assuming that he pitches well. On reflection, this seems like a pretty good strategy.
My sticking point on Baker's deal isn't the money but rather that it doesn't include any team options. 5.5M for one year is not a big deal for a potentially above average pitcher. I don't expect him to be great this season but I would like to put pieces in place for fixing the rotation for 2014/2015. W/O options then he's gone (or too expensive) if he pitches well.
Thrylos was wrong, as most of us expected to begin with. That has been established and nobody is making excuses for him. The only thing we're encouraging by locking up that thread is civility.
I see Baker talking to the Twins and the Twins saying something like "$3.5 million with guarantees according to performance for maybe $1.5 million and a $250 buyout option on a $5 million contract for 2014." Like Nathan, take this as the Twins best offer and if someone offers more, grab it. Not a bad offer for Baker. If he does come out of the gate strong, the Cubbies can trade him, too...unless he breaks down like Garza. If he does bad.....well, you could've signed Jason Marquis.
Look at the 02-04 Twins. We got bounced twice by the Yanks in those seasons. Our best players were probably Santana, AJ, Dougie Baseball, Radke and Hunter. The Yankees best players were Giambi, Clemens, Pettitte, ARod, Sheffield. One list is a bit different than the other. If you want to ignore the benefit of PEDs in baseball, fine, then that wouldn't alter my original post, Ryan would succeed just fine with Boston's resources.
But if you think PEDs did impact the game then you'd have to calculate into that how much a front office would be willing to accept PED users. Going back to Theo for a moment, the Mitchell report indicated that his baseball people thought Eric Gagne had lost his stuff b/c he wasn't on PEDs anymore. Some emails suggested that Gagne wasn't worth trading for. Theo did anyway, which suggests that the Red Sox FO 1) didn't think PEDs impacted baseball 2) Thought Gagne could succeed without PEDs despite what their own scouts suggested or 3) thought he'd start using PEDs again.
Also, these "people" that believed the Twins were going to sign multiple pitchers from the top tier of the market... who are they? Who exactly are you trying to rebuke? Certainly not the majority.
Also, you know how old I am Nick.
Leaving it open wasn't going to accomplish anything other than letting more people pile on the guy. As it stands, the point was made. Thrylos will have to be VERY careful with his next prediction no matter if that thread stayed open or whether it was closed. Everyone here will remember how this "done deal" went down and respond accordingly next time around. Leaving the thread open only encouraged people to start getting nasty and insulting him. It brings nothing new or interesting to the discussion.
I find it amusing that people are still trying to paint this as a huge overpayment. He got what almost every FA pitcher gets in the first few months of FA - more money than they deserve. Why is this shocking to anyone? The guys that don't get paid are the position players like Doumit and Willingham, most starting pitchers do not fall into that category. So, yes, it should have been expected and it makes all of the posts about how many guys we were going to land with the money we had look ridiculous. And before you half-cock your snippy response again, check the offseason blueprints as a starter.