Too bad the Twins never resigned Scott Baker like they were supposed to. He must have backed out because I read it here it was a done deal and then he ends up with the Cubs and look what we have now. A bunch of 5th starters.
Burton's trade value is greater on a reasonable 2 yr contract (w/ option) than if he's a pending FA at the deadline. The only way that this is money wasted is if Burton blows out his arm next season.
The Frasor equation is even simpler. Frasor (as a Twin) has more trade value than not signing anyone and keeping the money.
The kids will have plenty of chances to pitch in the bullpen.
In order to keep TheLeviathan happy, all Terry Ryan has to do is make a public statement to the effect of: "we will only be bringing in ****ty players this offseason." Then, when anything good happens, he'll be thrilled! Because it's really all about the expectations set right?
Aim low. You might fail upward.
See how that game works? This organization knew fans could see the writing on the wall and, in my opinion, basically lied publicly to keep fan support up. That's worst case, I admit. Best case is that these guys talked a big game and failed to live up to it. Either way I fail to see how this deserves a defense.
See, I have literally never once said I liked the Correia signing or that I was "content." (Seriously. Go look.)
On the other hand, you saying that all you really care about is the difference between what Terry Ryan said and what actually happened is all over this thread. And if that's all you care about, I'm afraid we won't see eye to eye here.
Still want to play this "game"?
Wow, up to four pages in a Jason Frasor thread? Can't wait to see the double digit beauty that will pop up once Marcum signs with another club. Seems like every thread is turning into a "the Twins are cheating the fans, d bag!" vs "they don't have to justify their payroll to you, a hole!" Battle Royale.
Looks like at this point, as much effort is being put into discrediting one's opponent than into making one's point. I thought election season was over.
In full disclosure, I've taken my fair share of jabs at front office defenders. This is starting to look petty though, sorry for my behavior. I hope others too see how unconstructive this is getting.
As a matter of fact... You pretty much **** on everybody around here so I think that quite a few others would appreciate it if you put them on ignore as well.
You are an ass of the first degree. Your tired overuse of adverbs like "incredibly" in front your adjectives like "stupid" lack tact and civility and I've read the last one.
Is your self esteem problem really that toxic? Yeah... Self esteem... Because no one who actually felt good about themselves would respond like you do!!!
Don't bother responding... You are on ignore... You'll just be responding for everyone else and 90 percent of the board hates you already.
Regarding the trades. I have been a vocal proponent in support of these moves, only suggesting that more might have been left on the table in the case of Span.
Your perjoratives continued with my assessment of the risks taken in these 2 trades. Nothing was made up.
You say 3 "legitimate" pitchers. I said, in a way apparently "asinine" to you, that the Twins traded 2/3s of their OF for 3 pitchers that still have a lot to prove and in 2 cases, quite a ways to go to say they are "legit". One of whom who has only pitched at Class A and was too old for that level where he dominated. How many dominant pitchers in Class A, who even are age-appropriate, flame out before they hit the Bigs? Quite a significant number, actually. The other minor league pitcher has stumbled at each of his last 2 promotions. He corrected himself in his 2nd trip through high A ball. Let's see what he does in New Britain. So again, you have another pitcher who has only proven mastery to A ball thus far. You've already counted these A-ball chickens before they've hatched.
The Twins move these types of guys up slowly, you won't see them in 2013, perhaps they will get a look at some point in 2014, so again, it's 2015 to realistically expect them to make a significant impact in the starting rotation. Meanwhile, Bagger Vance still has question marks given his bad season, move to the AL and injury concern.
For the record, I am ideologically predisposed for the powers-that-be in running my favorite team as if it's part of the 21st Century in a newly-minted showcase ballpark, not as a regime that would be just as happy in making a small fortune in contracting the team, blackmail the public into reinflating its value after contraction fell through and then taking the money to produce more bad movies and rap-music.
"old nurse and twinsnorth49 like this" Of course you do.
I don't think any fan is terribly excited about the fact the Twins didn't land a real good pitcher so far. There are different thoughts as to why this is so, and little tolerance for accepting anything beyond "my reason".
I'm only defending the fact that people that are bitter, have plenty of reason to be. They aren't whiny, turncoat Twins fans and shouldn't be treated as such. And moves like this one are going to spark bitterness because people care about the team and every talented player that leaves the market is only salt in the wound that was this offseason.
I wouldn't have had to repeat myself 6-7 times if people actually did "get it" - that's the problem.
You really think that a player is going to sign a contract with the Twins in hopes of being traded to a team that wouldn't sign them originally? This kind of thinking is why Pseudo's comment about making fecal matter up
And I would argue there is still plenty of quality available that far exceeds what we have signed thus far.
I do not disagree with you on that there is talent out there better than what the Twins have. Probably disagree on the value of that talent.
Players traded in the past were signed to fill holes on the team. Hollins was traded when he was not working out. Roberto Kelly played here a year and a half before he was traded. That is a far different than singing a player in the hopes of trading them. See Miami for what that does for the integrity of the organization.
Otis Nixon left after one year via free agency. Although it was probably as good of year as he ever had anywhere, I don't think the Twins got a draft pick for him. Just for accuracy in claims
If signing talent is flipable than the Correia signing can never be bad because you can flip him for a good prospect. (Jab Jab, wink wink. Need a bigger clue that I am throwing it out there just to poke at you?)