PS- I'd still be happy to do cartwheels and sing TR's praises from the rooftops before the season opener, but with what's left to be picked over and/or acquired in trade makes even a meek "I told you so" a pathetically sad gesture about this once-proud franchise.
The writing was on the wall concerning FA starting pitchers when the Twins failed to match the Cubs offer to Baker. Looking back now, the die was cast at that moment.
BTW, I always meant to ask you if the snickering about the Correia deal has died down yet in Pittsburgh...
Concerning KC, there hasn't been much said since the Twins penned him. Not as if the Bucs lost an asset or anything to complain about. Kinda the complete opposite of losing Baker. I've been trying to tell people that Liriano's bathroom fall is probably a good thing for the team. ;)
On Conspiracy Theories, I don't think the Twins were trying to ruin Baker, more like they were in bitter, self-preservation, CYA mode when their No. 1 pitching option going into 2012 was going down the tubes, which they possibly felt could have had some of the residual blame layed at their feet due to poor medical treatment. I think your second sentence was where I was primarily headed in the well-poisoning perception- coming more from the Scott Baker camp.
LOL about Liriano.
P.S., before I get slammed again, I'm not talking about this thread...just in general. Comments that come out when Ryan/Gardy defenders have nowhere to go but to use that kind of debating tactic.
I can't possibly top snepp's snarky response to Cdog's nonsense, well played there sir. I'll leave it at that.
As for another tired refrain: To those who keep saying "2013 was a lost cause anyway....." - the problem is that even if that's true it doesn't justify the Pohlad's pocketing money when there were still clear areas the team could still improve itself. There is ZERO excuse for that. So long as they are this cushioned (20-25M give or take) that argument needs to stop. It has no merit whatsoever.
I have long been saying that the team needs to go into a rebuild. But that should never stop you from acquiring assets if you can do so. You never know how they will benefit you (signed long term, traded for other assets, etc.) so you do it if you can regardless of how you expect the team to perform. You especially do this when they are not blocking any significant young talent. So any acquisition at SP or MI would've fit this perfectly. And we swung a big stinking 0-fer in FA this year. People have a right to be pissed.
"I'm not a doctor. In all likelihood, nobody here is a doctor or even involved enough in the medical profession to do anything except speculate wildly over half-truths and diagnoses not seen by anyone outside of the medical staff and the organization
We know virtually nothing. In short, there are a hell of a lot of people going off half-cocked about a situation they don't even understand. They don't have the slightest clue how the medical profession works, how the system operates, and whether the Twins are doing anything right or wrong.
And in life, I've generally found that it's best to shut up when you don't know something."
That's you telling everybody to STFU about the medical staff after a Nick Nelson article basically telling everyone to STFU about the medical staff, because nobody is qualified to have an opinion about it. By that logic, any comments by Ryan regarding the training and medical staff are immaterial. Whatever he said, we're still just uneducated oafs who have no business having an opinion about it.
If you believe that, it's fine, I get it but don't agree, but don't say it didn't happen.
If your wife sent you to the market to get eggs,bread, and a gallon of milk ,and you returned with a 12 pack of hams and a carton of luckys , do you think she would be happy?
entering the off season 99.5% of the fans knew we needed 2 front of the rotation starters , and middle infield help.
Now that the off season is soon to be over , our needs are 2 front of the rotation pitcher, middle infield help and a center fielder...
the only thing Terry accomplished was the removal of 15 million dollars from the payroll ...well at least he is happy
Um, bravo? I'm pretty sure I state that I think the medical staff is doing a bad job, I'm just honest enough to admit that I don't know **** about being a doctor.Quote:
I don't believe the medicalstaff is doing a good job. That's not my point nor do I believe it to be Nick's point. It's easy to sit on your couch and "diagnose" maladies, especially when using the rearview mirror. It's even easier when you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about (is anyone here qualified enough to make even the smallest statement about the medical treatment of athletes?).
No one is arguing that the medical staff is doing a good job. From the outside, it looks pretty bad to a layman. But remember that last word, layman.
People need to stop pretending that they have the slightest clue what is going on behind closed doors and they need to stop pretending that they have the medical knowledge to properly understand if someone is doing a bad job in the first place. I want to see the medical situation "fixed" as much as anyone but I'm also smart (and honest) enough to know that I don't have the slightest friggin' clue what I'm talking about.
Marcum was the last of the somewhat upper tier choices. I was really hoping for one of those guys and prepared for disapointment.
I'm officially down on the off-season now.
I could care less about Correia and don't feel his signing with us was an example of anything. Let him throw... Let's see what happens...
Not signing Marcum or a pitcher above him is an example of something in my mind.
With that said... I'm still fully prepared to let Terry Ryan and staff do their jobs.
If we are not in contention by 2015.
Jokin, Thrylos, Puck and everyone else will have to catch up to me in the throwing rocks at Terry Ryan department.
Until then... I'll just continue to read the comments and understand... why the comments are... what they are.
Come opening day... The game will be on and I will be watching and hoping we do some things to compete and I will be able to stick it out the whole year.
If I was able to do it in 2011... I can do it in 2013.
I'm tired of the Cold... Opening Day I still look forward to.
And it matters because you took my quote out of context of that particular conversation. People were making insane statements about the medical staff and that was my rebuttal. It wasn't that I felt the medical staff was beyond reproach as you implied.