I would rather the Twins use the relationship with the agent to sign Josh Johnson to a deal that includes a second year option, than Nolasco. However, I like Nolasco better than Arroyo.
Sort of. Blockbuster contract, then we trade him for Gomez, Humber, Guerra and some other schmuck.
Here's the link twinscowboybulls (what a name) was referring:
Yeah, sorry I'm a lazy poster. I'm still transitioning over from BYTO. Thank you.
Nolasco is Correia+. That's it. Are people even looking at his career numbers? He was above average in 2013 (though barely by ERA+). Before that? Below average for 4 years in a row. It's pretty confusing how he is going to get something like 4 years and $52 million. If the Twins did that I would throw up.
On what planet is Nolasco better than Arroyo (other than strikeouts)?
He fits the Twins mold.
When its all said and done it is likely he will get more than $13 mil/season. I don't understand why Twins fans care what he gets? We need SP help and Nolasco would profile as our #1. Signing Nolasco helps this team improve, that is the bottom line. When comparing any potential signing it is much more relevant to compare with the player the FA replaces on the team than it is to league average at the position. I imagine if the Twins had a staff full of league average starters and not the worst SP rotation in baseball we would be a much better team and may not be in the market for a slight upgrade like Nolasco is over league average. But we dont have a league avg rotation, we have the worst rotation, and Nolasco represents a HUGE improvement over the player he will replace. So spend whatever it takes to get him and any other pitchers that can help this team win games and become competitive again!
First of all. I don't think anyone thinks Nolasco is the 'end all, save the franchise' pitcher. Now with that being said, He would instantly become our best pitcher.
I am at the point where any money spent on FA is progress. It means we are understanding that FA is not the devil. It means TR is finally addressing some of this organizations shortcomings. It speaks for the present and for the future. Regardless of what type of product is put on the field for next year, I am much more confident in this organization going forward if they are willing to sign at least two guys to contracts larger than Willingham's. Now I hope they are good players going forward, but we are talking about freaking baby steps here.
A rotation of:
Would drastically improve our peripherals. I'm hoping those two are added and then we wait out the market for a bit and then snag someone who slips through the cracks for a "reduced deal."
Nolasco is much younger than Arroyo. Both have been durable but age is a major risk factor. Nolasco typically has had the FIP of a #2 starter and results of a #3-4 starter, which isn't necessarily a bad thing- he was very good in 2013, but his mixed track record will prevent him from getting a huge deal.
Four years, $50-60MM is mid-rotation money. The Twins certainly need decent pitchers and can afford Nolasco very easily, while still having plenty of room to sign other pitchers if they desire. For 2015 they currently have $27MM committed, total.
I am OK with Nolasco as long as he is our second best pitcher signed, not the "ace"
The problem with Arroyo is that you are likely going to be paying for the year where he falls off a cliff, and you are definitely getting a short contract. When you sign a short contract with a high likelihood of one of those years being a bad deal, then it's hard to make the whole deal a good signing.
I want to ask you all a question. Is it realistic to expect the Twins to sign these three:
If so, how much per year would it cost them? 30-40 million? Which is NOT that much in combination with their current payroll. They CAN and SHOULD afford that! Right?
Number 4 results and number 2 potential... wants number 3 money.... at his age someone will give it to him.
So, if that's right (or close), those three would cost the team 28m this year, 20m next year and just 12m the following two years.
I could be way off on my guesses, though.