By that logic, you must HATE Pelfrey. Because not only did he not earn his check last year, he damn sure didn't earn another one.Quote:
You have to earn your way in this game. Last year's audition showed that Gibson still has some stuff to work on. A few months in AAA won't hurt him. It probably will help him. The worst thing that could happen at this stage is to give him the job and let him fail again. If he dominates in AAA, they'll make room for him.
Gibson, for the very same reasons as Pelfrey, has potential to be a benefit two years removed from TJ. But pitching at AAA, at the age of nearly 27, is quickly moving him into the "after-thought" pile. We need him to be more than that.
And, as I said, if we were pushing him to AAA for a good pitcher - fine by me. But we're pushing him to AAA for a old, "meh" player with no upside. That's my issue with this. Pushing him down for Hughes, Nolasco, and even Pelfrey I got. Correia? Sorry, but I don't like that.
The Twins must develop pitchers with service time this year.
Worley has better projections than Pelfrey because they are based on 3-4 years and Worley has been the better pitcher over that longer span. To toss him and his service time for two years of Pelfrey just keep the Twins in this cycle of mediocrity. He absolutely needs to be on the staff even if in the pen to start he year.
Gibson needs to be in the rotation day 1. He has shown he can get AAA hitters out. He will only adjust to major league hitters in the majors. It took Viola two seasons of struggle. It took Radke 50 starts. If the Twins care about the long term health, they need to invest innings in their better prospects. It can't be the shuttle they put Hendriks on. The pitchers need to know they are going to get a long look.
Meyer needs to be up early. If he has 8-10 good starts in AAA bring him up. The A's and Rays have brought up top pitching prospects at young ages. Meyer needs to be up and adjusting to major league pitching while his arm is fresh.
If May pitches well, he needs a space somewhere midseason.
The Twins season will be successful if they have some hope in some of these service time starters. Getting there will mean relegating Correia to the pen early on and being willing to dump Pelfrey by trade if he pitches well or release if he is no better than mediocre by midseason.
Unfortunately you aren't getting Hardy for a 28 year old AAA RP.
It would probably take May to get him.
I don't know the odds on this, but if the Twins top 4 rotation all get to opening day without injuries, I'd be surprised. I think a few of these AAA pitchers are going to have to step it up a notch.
Sometimes I wonder if we are talking about the same guy because the Worley I saw last year didn't appear to have any kind of future in Major League baseball. JMO
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And I'm not sure why the first half of your post was campaigning to mitigate his relevance. Gibson has been this teams best SP prospect for years and we don't know his ceiling yet. Coming off of Tommy John surgery takes time but he needs to show it in the majors, not AAA.
In some cases, giving a guy like Gibson a shot is more valuable and important to the team long term than having a guy who might pitch better on a one or two year deal.
I've never found the argument, they have made this mistake in the past, therefore they should continue to make the same mistake, very compelling.
The too much starting pitching disease, is not a bad problem to have. I'm surprised that the same prolific posters who were demanding our favorite team sign multiple free agent starting pitchers, are now uncomfortable Deduno, Diamond, and Worley may get beat out, and that Gibson and Meyer may receive additional time to succeed before they hit the big stage. I simply do not see the downside in all this.
Signing free agent pitchers and signing "good" free agent pitchers are two different things. I think that most people are happy with two of the three (one way or another), but the third doesn't sit well.
While he wasn't a pitcher, the Doumit extension shows exactly what can happen when you don't have roster spots. Doumit wasn't really deserving of playing time but he was stuck holding a roster spot that would have been better served by Arcia, or even Parmelee (to at least give him one last extended look).
This could apply to pitching this season. Heck, we're acting like Deduno was terrible, but he's actually been good and barring injury seems to deserve a spot more than Pelfrey. Now, though, the Twins have decisions about him, Worley (who has had success and they traded a decent player for), and Diamond (who is probably not as good as his first season and is probably better than his second).
And we disagree about one "legit" pitcher. Worley, Deduno, and Diamond have all had better success in the major leagues in the last two years than Pelfrey or Correia - both who are basically going to be scholarshipped into the rotation at the beginning of the year. That's the problem. (And the irony that someone would suggest I'm campaigning for scholarships. I'm in the exact opposite boat. We need to be about auditions, not placeholders)
If Worley and and Diamond had to earn their way in and, if they failed, go to AAA - I would have zero problem with that. Zero. But that's not the situation and I don't want to lose either of them for nothing in the name of Kevin freakin Correia.
The same goes for Correia and the other pitchers. Kevin Correia was by far our best starting pitcher last year besides Sam Deduno. Did you see how Worley and Diamond pitched last year? Kevin Correia deserves to be in the rotation over them, unless proven before the season starts that he doesn't.