I like that the Twins are still getting after these guys prior to the Tanaka deal. Might be smart to get out ahead of that move when it finalizes. That said, Garzas camp is well aware of this too.
If they do get him, I guess I'll question the Pelfrey signing. That said, I'm in the camp that agrees they could flip Correia pretty easily if need be to open an additional roster spot. Pelfrey and/or Correia's salary isn't so huge that it limits him from being moved to the pen to make room for an Alex Meyer/Gibson/May either.
I'm all for a 4/60 + vesting option. I could see someone else giving him that guaranteed 5th year though.
He's kicked his spitting habit, so I'm all for signing him if the price is right.
Garza developed something of strange reputation among watchful fans: he’s a chronic spitter. Garza said the reason he spit so often – as many as three or four times between pitches – was because he would lick his fingers after using the rosin bag behind the mound, then spit out the rosin. Garza explained to the Sporting News: “You try to keep your hand dry so you're able to control the baseball. But that's dry tree sap, you know? You try to lick tree sap and tell me if you like it or not.” Garza has recently kicked the habit because he says the rosin gave him heartburn.
Going after Garza would make sense if they are looking to continue to add to the team. I don't like a Garza signing as the final move of the offseason.
Garza does cost a high #2 Draft pick...
And if he's anywhere near $20M...I'm sure the Twins will wait for the Tanaka fall-out before they sign him.
But then again, Garza's camp is likely waiting for that too.
Did anyone else notice that should the Twins sign Garza their entire starting staff will be right-handed? I also like the idea of signing lefty Johan Santana to a split contract a la Jason Kubel, assuming he's still got something left.
I won't complain if the Twins signed Garza but I think I'd stay pat for now. Next year might be a better year to go after a top flight pitcher - more will be on the market and I think Garza is over rated - and the Twins will have a better idea of where they stand with Meyer, Gibson, May as well as the bats.
Agreed. Signing Garza would give the Twins two reliable starters which they haven't had in years. At this point Nolasco is the ONLY stable piece followed by three big question marks (Hughes, Pelfrey and Correia) and the yet to be named #5 starter.
With Garza we'd have insurance in case the other three fall flat on their faces and have down years without torpedoing the whole season. Fall back options include Deduno, Worley, Gibson, Albers, Johnson and Gilmartin. Meyer and May might also be available late next season as well.
That said, if the Twins DO sign Garza I'll be mildly irritated with the Pelfrey signing. The odds of him being productive in 2014 are not good.
I seem to recall during the winter meetings there being rumors of Garza getting signed within 24-48 hours.
Waiting until January 24 may be hard to take of Garza is eager to land somewhere. Maybe the Twins could in fact take advantage of this weird drawn out Tanaka scenario.
My wild guess is that TR is willing to go 3/48, but Garza is asking for at least 4/60. Maybe 3/50 would get it done?
I would love that signing. I also think Correia would be more valuable than Blackburn, especially after coming off a decent year, which Blackburn was at least a couple of years removed from. I bet they could at a minimum unload his full salary, if not get something in return.
And upgrading from Correia to Garza would be hugely popular around here.
Here's the thing. I was chatting with a friend who I consider to be " a great baseball mind". I was curious what he was thinking about the recent Pelfrey signing and continued interest in other pitchers. He said . . . "sign all the pitchers" . . . . I laughed etc. all that crap. However, he made a point to me. Pitchers are always tradeable, especially veterans. Even if a guy has been mediocre, as long as he has some sort of decent track record they can be sold. If they are doing well, they can bring great returns too. So can you have too much pitching? I don't know. They're always able to be dealt. Especially if they're on short term deals. Think of worst case scenarios here.
Pelfrey . . . he's awful and you cut him part way into the season and have 6 million wasted next year.
Correia . . . one year deal, not really any worst case scenario with a team like this and a low payroll. If he's awful you cut can run
Hughes . . . Cant hack it as a starter, return him to a reliever role and his past shows he will be good. You're overpaying for a good reliever but it's not fully wasted. Good relievers (not closers) get 3-5 million per year. so you may have overpaid a reliever 3-4 mil per year for a couple years.
Nolasco and Garza. . . I include them together. Both have a solid track record. I think worst case they underperform a bit but are still a tradeable commodity. May not get what you want for them but really what are you out by trading a guy you acquired as a free agent. As long as you don't include too much cash in the trade, your'e not limiting yourself.
Point being, a Garza trade wont' limit this team. I just listed what are in my opinion the worst case scenarios. If they all turn out and worst case scenarios are what happen then the Twins are cursed and nothing they can do will help.
Final point: I like getting Garza on anything that is 4 years + an option or less. As long as it's around the 15-16 million per year.