08-22-2012, 01:42 PM #1
Proposed Twins Daily Comment Policy - Feedback Desired
Up to this point, Twins Daily hasn't had an official policy regarding comments; it's mostly been "be civil." Sometimes this has worked. Sometimes it hasn't. We've talked a lot amongst ourselves about being a little clearer and decided that whatever we adopt will have a link on the footer of the site and be re-posted occasionally to make sure everyone knows the rules. I'd like to propose this as the new policy, which we based on the policy for MLBTradeRumors.com. But before we charge ahead, I think it's important to get the community's feedback.
Comments of this nature are not allowed:
1. Personal attacks or insults towards other commenters, the post author, journalists, teams, players, or agents.
2. Inappropriate language, including swearing and related censor bypass attempts, lewdness, and crude terms for body parts, bodily functions, and physical acts. Overall, we don’t want any language that a parent would not want their kid to see.
3. Juvenile comments or extensive use of text message-type spelling.
4. Copying entire stories from elsewhere on the internet.
5. Comments about how you're sick of this topic or it's not newsworthy.
6. No inappropriate avatars or images are allowed.
7. Anything else we deem bad for business.
Breaking the rules will result in deleted posts and bans. Attempts to circumvent bans will results in all accounts being permanently banned (along with their IP address).
I suspect the rules that will be most concerning are #2 and #1 (though I encourage feedback on all of them), so let me quickly address those two. I'm a big free speech guy, and I wrestled with both, but I've come to embrace them. Here is why:
#2 - I have recently received emails from parents of minors who love these boards for Twins news. I'm not naive enough to think they don't know vulgarity (I think I was at the height of my vulgarity as a teen) but I don't see any compelling reason to have this language on the board and I can think of plenty of reasons to not have it, such as increased credibility for threads that offer terrific debate and can even be newsworthy.
#1. It's one thing to say "Gardenhire is stupid to always bat a middle infielder second." It's another to say "Gardenhire is stupid." I wrote about five paragraphs in the forum last week criticizing Phil Mackey's latest salary story, so I'm not saying we can't be critical. But I cringe when five comments later I read "Mackey is an idiot." That's just a personal attack.
I'm not suggesting this to protect players feelings or get the Twins or media to like us. I'm suggesting this because
1. It adds nothing to the discussion. These comments will not be missed.
2. It makes us - and I mean the whole community - look bad.
Twins Daily was not started to be a playground. It was started to raise the overall quality of baseball coverage. If we want to do that - if we want to gain credibility, if we want to continue to draw in independent voices and readers, if we want our content to be cited and used by others - then we cannot look like rube chat.
OK, that's the proposal. Please provide your feedback below.
08-22-2012, 01:49 PM #2
What's really sad is the need (or perceived need) for all these rules. Sigh. I get it though.Man is born free, but everywhere he is in chains.
08-22-2012, 01:54 PM #3
I'm good with it, for all of the reasons you cited, John.
More to the point, I don't need more people telling me I'm a %$#&%$@ idiot. That's what I've got family for.I post regularly on our Knuckleballs blog (http://knuckleballsblog.com/)
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08-22-2012, 02:11 PM #4
I am all for it. There are plenty of other places on the internet to engage in the sort of discourse you are looking to keep away from Twins Daily.
08-22-2012, 02:11 PM #5
Sounds good to me. I don't think these rules are too restrictive. There are always going to be people who need spelled out for them what should be common sense.TwinsGuy55422
"And we'll see ya tomorrow night!!!!"
08-22-2012, 02:12 PM #6
Reasonable rules. OK by me.
I presume with rule #4 the standing exception is the bloggers who post a copy here of content they post originally elsewhere.
08-22-2012, 02:12 PM #7
I have a few questions about those topics. First, how strict are they? For example, #2. There are already language filters and I swear because I know the filters will pick it up. Are you talking about changing texts to avoid these filters? On #4, sometimes posters copy and paste insider articles or BP articles that you need subscriptions to view. Is this no longer acceptable? If so, I'm against that number. #7 is also vague and doesn't stress what you're looking for. Instead of saying "anything else," just say you reserve the right to modify/deleted any comment that is deemed out of the character for this site. That is a kind of blanket statement that covers everything and you can add more specific things as needed.
08-22-2012, 02:15 PM #8
I love the fact that going to a baseball game is different than a football game, or a hockey or basketball game. I've been to several parks to see the Twins play as the away team--Comerica this year, US Cellular, Kauffmann, and Jacob's Field to name just a few over previous years. Fans have (almost) always been respectful. "Hey, what do you think of our ballpark?" Lot's of pride, and also some good recommendations on local places to eat.
I enjoy this site, as a newcommer. You've built a good thing here. I appreciate being included. I want to help keep it clean as an invited guest/early member. So, I appreciate the rules. You are on the right track.
08-22-2012, 02:15 PM #9
But please, don't post anything that looks like "you **** stupid ***** ****face".
08-22-2012, 02:17 PM #10
08-22-2012, 02:17 PM #11
Anyplace with comments needs a policy. The only one here I question is #1, as it relates to people other than commenters/post authors. Obviously, there shouldn't be tolerance in those cases. But, a rival team? How does that work- we wouldn't be able to say "The White Sox are garbage"? I mean, I get that it's not intelligent conversation, but this is sports. So long as it isn't vulgar, I don't see the problem.
What if there's a true hack journalist out there- would it be allowed to point that out?
People directly connected to the Twins are a gray area, where I see the need for some rules but still think it is a different situation when compared to actual posters on the site.
08-22-2012, 02:21 PM #12
John, I think we all can live with the rules, the key will be how stringently they will be enforced. Will every post be reviewed? Will you rely on posts being flagged by members to ultimately be reviewed and then deleted?
I have quickly posted thoughts or opinions without taking the time to look up my facts only to learn after the fact that I was wrong. When this has happened, other posters have pointed out my errors or corrected my points by actually looking up the information. They have always done so in a professional manner, at times with humor, but never by being called a name or in a condescending manner. I have witnessed other posters receive very harsh treatment for similar mistakes to the ones I have made and I'm all for limiting the individual attacks, however I'm not sure how this will be put into practice. If the post sits out there for 4 to 6 hours before it is removed, it still has the same effect.
08-22-2012, 02:23 PM #13
08-22-2012, 02:26 PM #14
As with most things, keep it in reason. Everybody gets mad and posts stupid crap. It happens. But most posters filter those posts in between dozens of worthwhile posts that are much calmer and rational. We're all fans here. We understand the pain of watching Jeff Gray take the mound.
08-22-2012, 02:28 PM #15
08-22-2012, 02:30 PM #16
Regarding #4, we encourage linking to other sites with articles regarding the Twins. If you copy one sentence out of there to help illustrate your point, that's OK. There are copyright issues that could come in to play. And, secondly, we are a blogger/writer community. IF someone writes something really good and you feel it should be noticed, we have no problem with people going to that site, reading the article and then coming back to discuss. It's just not right, especially if the information is behind a pay wall.
08-22-2012, 02:32 PM #17
08-22-2012, 02:35 PM #18
Mauerzy, I'll just respond this way without quotes. It's easier.
3. We're not going to clamp down on misspellings or limited use of abbreviations. This rule will probably be used very rarely and only for spam-like posters whose entries generally consist of "lolz", "ur bad @ beisbol" and nonsense of that sort. It hasn't been a problem at all but we're throwing it in there for good measure.
4. Feel free to use as many links and quotes as your lil old heart desires.
5. If you're tired of a poster's ranting, feel free to PM a moderator/admin about it or attack the point he/she is trying to make. You can even mention that you're tired of hearing his/her tripe, just be sure to add significant content to your post beyond that short sentence. We're trying to cut down on comments such as "dumb post" or "read this already, lame". They have no place on the board.
6. We're sticking to something close to a prime time television rule. If it can't be said on network television, reconsider saying it. The same applies to photos and imagery.
7. Moderators and admins will be deciding what is appropriate or not. Generally, we're forgiving folk. Very few people will receive a ban of any kind without ample warning and if you feel the warning is unjust, all of us will deliberate over the "offense".
08-22-2012, 02:37 PM #19
Yeah, I'm not necessarily against any of these rules (are they rules or guidelines?), I'm just disillusioned and disappointed that it's necessary (I guess?). Also, what is a juvenile comment? Please define with the connotation, not with a denotation (fark-monkey-robot i.e). I very much agree with (but as a guideline) not using text/shorthand. Students are already putting this into papers... it's bad (for society too).Man is born free, but everywhere he is in chains.
08-22-2012, 02:37 PM #20