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    That's my suspicion too.

    That's my suspicion too.
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    I agree with all this, but given the material he...

    I agree with all this, but given the material he had to work with, would you have settled on Presley and Parmelee instead. I think I would have, but that's probably a product of my distaste for the...
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    But I believe it's a fallacy to pass that off as...

    But I believe it's a fallacy to pass that off as the logic. Saying they passed on free agents to hold roster spots for minor leaguers, spycake, is at best simple not true. And also your "2 decent...
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    But the Twins aren't talking about improving the...

    But the Twins aren't talking about improving the team strictly through the farm system, and I certainly am not. Yes, they have a boatload of holes. One of my favorite memories of all time was living...
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    I believe one of the studies looked at 2WAR as...

    I believe one of the studies looked at 2WAR as its threshhold, but don't recall specifics.
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    Can't give you the exact info, but I'm sure...

    Can't give you the exact info, but I'm sure others can. I recall BA as being one source, maybe BPro another. The gist in one was tiering the draft, and finding that Players drafted #'s 1-10 were at...
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    you know my vote...:) A .500 type team and...

    you know my vote...:)
    A .500 type team and improving in 2015, along with KC, while Detroit hits the skids and the other two remain "competitive".
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    What PR department. If there's any area of the...

    What PR department. If there's any area of the business at which the Twins are completely inept, it's in doing PR.
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    mikey, mikey, TRUST me, 2014 WILL be better. :)

    mikey, mikey, TRUST me, 2014 WILL be better. :)
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    spycake, I gotta call you on the 7 for 8 thing....

    spycake, I gotta call you on the 7 for 8 thing. Studies have been done. Sano, Buxton, Meyer, and Stewart have a beter than 75% shot. If, as appears quite likely, we draft a stud college pitcher, he...
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    You don't think players and their agents do a...

    You don't think players and their agents do a critical analysis of an opportunity with massive career ramification?
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    But not every job is the same, Mr. Brooks. I can...

    But not every job is the same, Mr. Brooks. I can tell you that at every job I had since I was 20 years old, my bosses, shareholders, and loyal customers did not expect immediate results. But they...
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    I respect the viewpoint and understand the...

    I respect the viewpoint and understand the frustration. I also recognize we're beating a dead horse most likely. But I think the primary distinction is about what goals we have as fans versus what...
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    I couldn't agree more. Accountability ultimately...

    I couldn't agree more. Accountability ultimately at the top, and based on results. Many of us have worked at large organizations, and we have learned the results are not always immediate, usually...
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    Who wudda thunk that you'd prefer Johnson,...

    Who wudda thunk that you'd prefer Johnson, Gilmartin, and Darnell over Worley as your 6th starter? But the depth, while not great, is better, with Deduno and Swarzak avaiklable for a spot start and...
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    I'm also a member of the 1961 Club. There have...

    I'm also a member of the 1961 Club. There have been a lot of teams over the years that have been close to unbearable to watch. Last year was up there in this category, and I hate to say it, but I'm...
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    I'm thrilled.

    I'm thrilled.
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    And let's not get carried away wi9th Tonkin...

    And let's not get carried away wi9th Tonkin either. He was brought up as one of many examples of good results. And the argument wasn't that there aren't plenty of examples of bad results.

    I found...
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    His fall may remain inexplicable. Levi, but don't...

    His fall may remain inexplicable. Levi, but don't you think this happens with pitchers often? I'm sincere about this question: do you see a one-way pattern that indicates they have a systemic...
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    Well, mike, I certainly wouldn't venture an...

    Well, mike, I certainly wouldn't venture an opinion about how much the Tonkin selection was a matter of skill versus luck. I'll leave that to you, my friend.:)


    And again, I'll answer your last...
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    Here we go again, my friends. :) This staff made...

    Here we go again, my friends. :) This staff made an aggregious error in judgment about Worley, apparently. Okay, mea culpa to them. Now, let's talk about their savvy assessments for a second. Let's...
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    That's an instructive comparison. Last year,...

    That's an instructive comparison. Last year, Gibson was sent down, much to the chagrin of a lot of TD'ers. Worley had too many chances in 2013, not too few, and it can be argued that Gibson got too...
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    Easy choice. Neither. But I'll take any of 7-8...

    Easy choice. Neither. But I'll take any of 7-8 others over Worley. Meyer, May, Darnell, Johnson, Diamond, Gilmartin, Dean, Wimmers to name eight.
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    Are you guys maybe making this more complicated...

    Are you guys maybe making this more complicated than it really is? The guy sulked publicly about the trade to begin with. Then he showed up last spring in less than optimal condition. He earned a...
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    [QUOTE=mike wants wins;206503]This team makes it...

    [QUOTE=mike wants wins;206503]This team makes it hard not to mock them over their financial moves......but I'm sure the scouts that said they should trade a 24 year old cost controlled 2+ WAR CF for...
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